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castigar
07-23-2007, 11:57 AM
Vilain had about 50% VIP and seemed quite bad. Do you think I overplayed my TPTK here?

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.05/$0.10 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh))

Hero (SB): $10.00
BB: $24.70
UTG: $9.75
MP: $30.80
CO: $13.15
BTN: $12.05

Preflop: Hero is dealt K/images/graemlins/heart.gif A/images/graemlins/club.gif (6 Players)
UTG calls $0.10, MP calls $0.10, CO calls $0.10, BTN folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $0.70</font>, BB folds, UTG calls $0.60, MP calls $0.60, CO calls $0.60

Flop: ($2.90) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $2.50</font>, UTG folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $5.00</font>, CO folds, Hero calls $2.50

Turn: ($12.90) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets all-in for $4.30</font>, MP calls $4.30

River: ($21.50) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 Players - 1 All-In)

Pot Size: $21.50 ($1 Rake)

mertzo
07-23-2007, 12:23 PM
Lol @ ever folding. Shoving or calling to push turn is basicly the same play with so little behind.

Mr_Pathetic
07-23-2007, 12:58 PM
If you were going to fold then the flop was it. I tend to ditch these hands after I bet flop and get minraised. Never turns out good but you need a good read of what villain does this with. I've encountered a few that do this as a bluff but with this board the way it is I am thinking you are drawing slim. What are you expecting him to have that does this you beat? KJ or KT? Only 16 ways to make those two hands and there are 4 to KQ, 4 to K9 and 16 to JT. Add in a few spade combos and this is an easy flop fold.

On turn you probably aren't folding this unless you think for sure your villain has got you beat here over 35% of the time. If you think he does then maybe check fold turn but I am out on the flop. You'll get him soon enough if he is limp calling raises.

BTW I have played with you a few times at NL 5.

ajmargarine
07-23-2007, 01:02 PM
Push or fold after you are raised on the flop. The board just got 10x worse for your hand on the turn fyi.

foxmoor
07-23-2007, 01:18 PM
i think we must fold on the flop.most of the time we are way behind here.

55offsuit
07-23-2007, 01:27 PM
Turn is a fold now that we get there. What hand do you put yourself ahead of? AQ?

I either push or fold to the flop raise.

sightless
07-23-2007, 01:35 PM
never call this flop ):

castigar
07-23-2007, 01:46 PM
I can't see why I should fold this flop. The guy could have a draw or simply testing my hand. If someone with 0.5 aggro would raise the flop, I would understand. But this is not the case.

ev_slave
07-23-2007, 01:49 PM
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On turn you probably aren't folding this unless you think for sure your villain has got you beat here over 35% of the time.

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Where does this 35% come from? He gets 4:1 on his money AI, so he needs to win 20% of the time to break even... the villain needs to be ahead more than 80% of the time to fold, right?

Anyway, I think a key element of this hand that no one's mentioned yet is that it's a 4-way flop. KQ9 is likely to connect with someone better than it did the Hero with 4 players going to the flop. I think OP's line is better if it were heads up, but here I think Hero is toast. Especially when we consider that the raise was made by a guy still with someone left to act after him.