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infinite_loop
07-23-2007, 05:02 AM
Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh))

SB: $122.90
BB: $28.50
UTG: $49.25
MP: $110.80
CO: $50.50
Hero (BTN): $121.35

Reads: <font color="blue">Original raiser is raising like 60% and plays very poorly post-flop. No reads on 4-better. They bought in short and only I only had 7 hands with them. </font>

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q/images/graemlins/club.gif J/images/graemlins/spade.gif (6 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $1.50</font>, CO folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $6.00</font>, SB folds, <font color="red">BB raises to $12.00</font>, MP folds

Call or fold pre? We're probably behind. Is it even worth it?
prodonkey
07-23-2007, 05:08 AM
I'd 5 bet shove all in.. he's squeezing.
monkover
07-23-2007, 05:10 AM
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I'd 5 bet shove all in.. he's squeezing.

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michaelantoi
07-23-2007, 05:17 AM
Are you guys levelling?

He cant have AA/KK/QQ Ak?
monkover
07-23-2007, 05:18 AM
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Are you guys levelling?

He cant have AA/KK/QQ Ak?

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villain has been rasing 60% of all hands. nut of course he could have it this time. his range is way wider though.
prodonkey
07-23-2007, 05:19 AM
I just wanted to say something different besides fold preflop to one of his threads.
infinite_loop
07-23-2007, 05:19 AM
Maybe I need to edit the post. Original raiser is raising 60% which is why made the 3-bet. 4-better is unknown.
infinite_loop
07-23-2007, 05:26 AM
We're getting 3.4:1 on the call with 16.50 left in his stack.
prodonkey
07-23-2007, 05:32 AM
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Maybe I need to edit the post. Original raiser is raising 60% which is why made the 3-bet. 4-better is unknown.

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You don't fight maniacs with more agression.. that plays right into their game. I'm still folding this preflop, but I think a call would be much better than a 3 bet.
infinite_loop
07-23-2007, 05:38 AM
The 3-bet is super standard I think. He was opening lots of hands, but wasn't ever 4-betting and had folded to many 3-bets. And when he calls we have a decent pot to play with in position against a horrible post-flop player. He was calling PSBs with weak gutshots.
prodonkey
07-23-2007, 06:03 AM
I don't think 3 betting a maniac with deep stacks with JQo is ever going to be super standard.
dhdell
07-23-2007, 08:00 AM
no SS is squeezing anything. 5-bet is just gross. 3-bet is very questionable imo