50NL; JJ; 3bet pot; paired board and he checkraises all-in

[Lego05]

Villian is 37.68/16.67/2.85 postflop agg. over 138 hands.


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP ($36.15)
Hero ($52.20)
SB ($44)
BB ($49.35)
UTG ($49.60)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $1.5</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $6</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG calls $4.50.

Flop: ($12.75) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $8</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $43.6</font>, Hero ???

[sightless]

I fold in this spot without thinking much

I just never see people c/r shove heer with a hand that you beat

Unless ive clearly seen them do retarted [censored] before

[homeslice]

fold

[Lego05]

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I fold in this spot without thinking much

I just never see people c/r shove heer with a hand that you beat

Unless ive clearly seen them do retarted [censored] before

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Well ok I did fold...although i definitely did think about it. If I had AA i almost definitely would have called....and there's a good chance I woulda called with QQ. What do you think if you had those two hands?

[prodonkey]

They are all pretty much the same hand. Either he has a K or 22, or he doesn't. The one caveat you have with AA is that you still win if he has QQ, and you don't with J's. This is where reads help so much.. as I'd call this some of the time. What kind of K's does he call reraises with out of position? KQ? AK? Usually people reraise with AK, and they don't call with KQ. Does he call reraises with small pp's. So I think he's prolly got something like AQc, AA or 22.

Interesting question.. if he flipped over AQc would u call?

[sightless]

i dont know):
I think with qq and aa i check behind on this flop a lot. as played Id probably muck queens unsure if i culd fold aces

[Lego05]

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They are all pretty much the same hand. Either he has a K or 22, or he doesn't. The one caveat you have with AA is that you still win if he has QQ, and you don't with J's.

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This caveat is the reason I had behind thinking that.

[Lego05]

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What kind of K's does he call reraises with out of position? KQ? AK? Usually people reraise with AK, and they don't call with KQ. Does he call reraises with small pp's. So I think he's prolly got something like AQc, AA or 22.

Interesting question.. if he flipped over AQc would u call?

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I couldn't tell you for sure...I'd expect AK and maybe KQ. But I also wouldn't expect him to shove any K on the flop (This is why I thought about calling and why I almost definitely would with AA and very possibly with QQ.)


Of course I call if I knew he had AQc. I don't see how that's even a question.

[Lego05]

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What kind of K's does he call reraises with out of position? KQ? AK? Usually people reraise with AK, and they don't call with KQ. Does he call reraises with small pp's. So I think he's prolly got something like AQc, AA or 22.

Interesting question.. if he flipped over AQc would u call?

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Of course I call if I knew he had AQc. I don't see how that's even a question.

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Just used Poker Stove. Not even close considering the money in the pot.:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

990 games 0.063 secs 15,714 games/sec

Board: Kd Kc 2c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 51.162% 51.01% 00.15% 505 1.50 { JcJs }
Hand 1: 48.838% 48.69% 00.15% 482 1.50 { AcQc }

[prodonkey]

well some people are very risk adverse.. i was just wondering

[Lego05]

I really almost called this. I thought he was either FOS or had a pocket pair himself. I woulda called with Q's and almost pulled the trigger with JJ so I wanted to see what other people thought.


BTW after I folded he showed 43 of clubs so I quickly made a note about that.

[holdme]

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I really almost called this. I thought he was either FOS or had a pocket pair himself. I woulda called with Q's and almost pulled the trigger with JJ so I wanted to see what other people thought.


BTW after I folded he showed 43 of clubs so I quickly made a note about that.

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its a clear call /images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Lego05]

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I really almost called this. I thought he was either FOS or had a pocket pair himself. I woulda called with Q's and almost pulled the trigger with JJ so I wanted to see what other people thought.


BTW after I folded he showed 43 of clubs so I quickly made a note about that.

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its a clear call /images/graemlins/cool.gif

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Did you think that before seeing the results?

[holdme]

no lol, i'm not sure what i would have done.