Stars NL 200- Flop bluff/ Turn value push?

[luckybacon]

Pre flop raiser is a 2+2er solid regular. Sb was a typical donk no real information on him. I figured his flop calling range was wide since he wasnt any good. Thoughts on flop bluff/ turn push?

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Button ($49.35)
SB ($197)
Hero ($200)
UTG ($255.40)
MP ($64)
CO ($214.20)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $8</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, SB calls $7, Hero calls $6.

Flop: ($24) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $18</font>, SB calls $18, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $64</font>, UTG folds, SB calls $46.

Turn: ($170) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $128 (All-In)</font>,

[cbloom]

This is pretty bad.

[RUDIKULOUS]

i think most hands he calls with just owned you on the turn.

[JayDoubleYou]

I don't think this is that bad vs. a "typical donk" .
It def depends on pf range though as the larger it is the more bare 6's he could have.

I think i still check and reevaluate.

oh and i dont do this on this flop given the donk SB calling the CB, bc he may not be laying down anything but an 8

[deaders]

I hate the flop c/r UTG is shoving most hands or at least calling and SB isnt folding his draw for $46 more obviously.

[luckybacon]

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I hate the flop c/r UTG is shoving most hands or at least calling and SB isnt folding his draw for $46 more obviously.

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i disagree about utg shoving most hands, my lines is very strong. I think this is obviously not great, why i posted it. But to say utg is shoving most hands/or at least calling i think is wrong

[deaders]

Well a solid UTG raiser more than likely isnt betting that flop 3 ways without a hand especially with donk SB in there, and I would think most hands he is betting arent folding to your smallish c/r.

[JayDoubleYou]

Agreed utg is folding soooo often, which is why i do this sometimes given different flop texture and/ or different sb.

[luckybacon]

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Well a solid UTG raiser more than likely isnt betting that flop 3 ways without a hand especially with donk SB in there, and I would think most hands he is betting arent folding to your smallish c/r.

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i assume solid regular raises a10+, qjs+, any pair, a bunch of suited aces, and most suited connectors occasionaly 1 gap suited connectors. Also, on that board i dont think it matters much between 1-2 people. He could easily double barrel a blank turn and get us to fold.

[Check_The_Nuts]

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Well a solid UTG raiser more than likely isnt betting that flop 3 ways without a hand especially with donk SB in there, and I would think most hands he is betting arent folding to your smallish c/r.

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i assume solid regular raises a10+, qjs+, any pair, a bunch of suited aces, and most suited connectors occasionaly 1 gap suited connectors. Also, on that board i dont think it matters much between 1-2 people. He could easily double barrel a blank turn and get us to fold.

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that doesn't make any sense.

[luckybacon]

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Well a solid UTG raiser more than likely isnt betting that flop 3 ways without a hand especially with donk SB in there, and I would think most hands he is betting arent folding to your smallish c/r.

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i assume solid regular raises a10+, qjs+, any pair, a bunch of suited aces, and most suited connectors occasionaly 1 gap suited connectors. Also, on that board i dont think it matters much between 1-2 people. He could easily double barrel a blank turn and get us to fold.

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that doesn't make any sense.

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yeah im really bad at explaining my thought process. I really dont know why i bother posting /images/graemlins/smile.gif.

[Check_The_Nuts]

if by UTG you mean button then maybe. If solid 2p2 regulars are raising that wide a range UTG always then I missed that memo.

[luckybacon]

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if by UTG you mean button then maybe. If solid 2p2 regulars are raising that wide a range UTG always then I missed that memo.

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i consider myself solid and i would think thats about my utg range.

[Check_The_Nuts]

you always raise suited connects 67s-&gt;T9s UTG? If I did that my preflop stats would be retarded, like 30/29 or something.

[Bukem_]

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you always raise suited connects 67s-&gt;T9s UTG? If I did that my preflop stats would be retarded, like 30/29 or something.

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nah just get rid of the dominated broadway and ax&lt;q you prob open at least some of the time utg.

[MDoranD]

BBV is the best place for your subtle brags

[luckybacon]

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BBV is the best place for your subtle brags

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I hope this is directed towards me /images/graemlins/smile.gif. I brag all the time, i just wish most of it was true

[ValarMorghulis]

Flop play is awful. If it was just against UTG it could be fine but with SB there, what the hell are you doing.

Turn play is good.

Just noticed, preflop is pretty awful as well.