Fixing the Main Event

[timmay28]

My proposal:

Form a committee of 20 or so people (2+2 forumers?) to construct a list of all of the well-known/semi-known players that have signed up to the main event. This list should include players that have had notable success in the past... no Shannon Elizabeths or Antonio Tarvers. Any borderline people where the committee has disagreements, flip a coin. Put those people into group A. The rest of the signups go into group B. Then have both groups battle it out amongst their own until there are 8 representatives from each. Once that occurs, have two 8 handed, mixed tables... call it the sweet 16 just to be catchy. Then when it's down to 9 players, go to the final table.

I think this would help make watching the main event much more interesting, and still allow nobodies a good shot of winning it too. Sure, the nobodies need to win the ME from time to time so the fish get optimistic, but the downside of them always winning is that it further enforces the stigma that poker is mainly luck and little skill, which is bad for legalization purposes.

[Cornell Fiji]

This is honestly the worst post I have ever read.

[TMTTR]

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QFT

[rafiki]

I'll 3rd that. Maybe the worst post I've ever read in this section.

[Dranoel]

It's Tiiiimmmmyyyyy!




/South Park Reference

[timmay28]

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/images/graemlins/grin.gif Ok, then hurt me and elaborate on why. You like the current structure where the final table will often be lucky to have one well-known, if that?

[SossMan]

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/images/graemlins/grin.gif Ok, then hurt me and elaborate on why. You like the current structure where the final table will often be lucky to have one well-known, if that?

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making FT's is part of becoming "well known"

[Nez477]

lidddlila, liddilaa, timmay

Gobboes?

liddilila

[timmay28]

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/images/graemlins/grin.gif Ok, then hurt me and elaborate on why. You like the current structure where the final table will often be lucky to have one well-known, if that?

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making FT's is part of becoming "well known"

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this would allow that, and at the same time make the FT, as well as shark infested group A tables, much more interesting to watch on tv.

[rafiki]

Do you think that with 25 other tournies/shows already featuring all pro final tables, that you need this one to do the same ?

Do you not get how good it is for poker to have a 2 year noob win 8M ?

You must hate money, or not be very good at playing poker...

[Dranoel]

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/images/graemlins/grin.gif Ok, then hurt me and elaborate on why. You like the current structure where the final table will often be lucky to have one well-known, if that?

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making FT's is part of becoming "well known"

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this would allow that, and at the same time make the FT, as well as shark infested group A tables, much more interesting to watch on tv.

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What you are proposing is to start a new tournament.

The Main Event is open to anyone that puts $10,000 on the table to play.

It's the tradition, and I wouldn't have it any other way. If you don't like it- don't watch/participate in it.

YMMV

[timmay28]

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/images/graemlins/grin.gif Ok, then hurt me and elaborate on why. You like the current structure where the final table will often be lucky to have one well-known, if that?

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making FT's is part of becoming "well known"

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this would allow that, and at the same time make the FT, as well as shark infested group A tables, much more interesting to watch on tv.

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What you are proposing is to start a new tournament.

The Main Event is open to anyone that puts $10,000 on the table to play.

It's the tradition, and I wouldn't have it any other way. If you don't like it- don't watch/participate in it.

YMMV

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You're probably right. Now that I think about it some more, it is a dumb idea. But I can't delete this thread now, lol.

[The B]

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call it the sweet 16 just to be catchy.

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not that "catchy"....the NCAA b-ball tourney has been using this for years

[JFJB]

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[dcviperboy]

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I'll 3rd that. Maybe the worst post I've ever read in this section.

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wow, add me to the list plzkthx

[Jasper109]

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call it the sweet 16 just to be catchy.

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not that "catchy"....the NCAA b-ball tourney has been using this for years

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[jedi]

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This is honestly the worst post I have ever read.

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It's not the worst post I've read, but I read OOT and BBV4Life too much.

That said, this is the worst post I've seen in the Tournament Circuit/WSOP forum.

[J.C. Gloves]

Painful OP, *sigh*

[selurah]

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Agreed.

[timmay28]

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Painful OP, *sigh*

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/images/graemlins/grin.gif not really. Glad to see I'm a legend here already. If we're gonna stretch this thread out, let's make it the longest one in wsop forum history.

[TMTTR]

I am bored so I will expand on my dislike of the idea:

The World Series ain't broke -- so why are you fixin it? (At least it's not broken with regard to the way players enter the tournament. I am sure it is broken in many other ways.)

WSOP is an open event and that is part of the reason it is a success. There are many other events that have different structures or that can use different structures. This isn't the one.

[3 VCOs]

miserable, dreadful post, you are a legend of the worst kind

[secretprankster]

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miserable, dreadful post, you are a legend of the worst kind

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hahaha

[Dranoel]

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miserable, dreadful post, you are a legend of the worst kind

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Signs when a thread is bad? When someone with 17 post history slams you. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[timmay28]

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I am bored so I will expand on my dislike of the idea:

The World Series ain't broke -- so why are you fixin it? (At least it's not broken with regard to the way players enter the tournament. I am sure it is broken in many other ways.)

WSOP is an open event and that is part of the reason it is a success. There are many other events that have different structures or that can use different structures. This isn't the one.

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I fully agree with you. I was bored and haphazardly threw a random idea out there that wasn't thought out too well. At least it is entertaining to the trolls, and their reactions are funny to me as well. "omg worst post ever!"

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[CincyLady]

As far as the pro's go, they pretty much have created their own event inside the WSOP with the $50k HORSE event.

Personally, I think that's the best way anyway (a HORSE event) to find a World champ, one who is the best all around poker player.

[SuperUberBob]

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I'll 3rd that. Maybe the worst post I've ever read in this section.

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wow, add me to the list plzkthx

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5th!

[ibluffoldladies]

Well, you heard the man. Let's keep this thread alive to remind our sons and daughters never to be like the original poster.

[ProfessorBen]

Someone make a title suggestion for OP please.

[ibluffoldladies]

how about simply, "Fixing the Main Event". We will never forget.

[kailua]

Is OP propossing that NBA officials be enlisted to make floor decisions?

[UATrewqaz]

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This is honestly the worst post in the history of the internet, books, or written language period.

[Todd Terry]

One of the things that makes poker great and separates it from most other professions is that it is, assuming that it is a game of skill, a pure meritocracy. Anyone can play, and if they play better than everyone else, they can succeed. It doesn't matter who you know, it doesn't matter what other people think about you. There are no judges to impress, no asses to kiss.

The HORSE event was created so that the clique of players who think they're great and their friends could play against each other, with the buy-in so high that few others would dare enter. Now that two out of the top three in that event were so-called nobodies, they'll have to create yet another "true" world championship of poker.

Creating A and B lists of players and separating them from the rest of the field goes against the true nature of poker IMO. I for one love watching the WSOP and WPT on TV, and can't stand watching invitational events (although this may have to do with the production quality and money at stake as well).

And yes, given that this my second lengthy philosophical post of the day, it would be safe to conclude that I'm extremely bored right now.

[GSykes]

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You speak the truth

[stabn]

God how sick would your equity be if you were one of the group A list.

[Heavens_Myst]

I could not stop laughing at OP, then i read the thread and I almost died.

Awesome job, OP. This was the worst idea I've ever seen on 2p2, and I'm a bbv'er! CONGRATS !

[timmay28]

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how about simply, "Fixing the Main Event". We will never forget.

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Or, "Official Post Padding Thread"

[Willy]

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My proposal:

Form a committee of 20 or so people (2+2 forumers?) to construct a list of all of the well-known/semi-known players that have signed up to the main event. This list should include players that have had notable success in the past... no Shannon Elizabeths or Antonio Tarvers. Any borderline people where the committee has disagreements, flip a coin. Put those people into group A. The rest of the signups go into group B. Then have both groups battle it out amongst their own until there are 8 representatives from each. Once that occurs, have two 8 handed, mixed tables... call it the sweet 16 just to be catchy. Then when it's down to 9 players, go to the final table.

I think this would help make watching the main event much more interesting, and still allow nobodies a good shot of winning it too. Sure, the nobodies need to win the ME from time to time so the fish get optimistic, but the downside of them always winning is that it further enforces the stigma that poker is mainly luck and little skill, which is bad for legalization purposes.

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Thats just stupid. Some have to beat 6000 players and others have to beat 600 players and you propose treating them the same.

[timmay28]

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Jupiter is the fourth brightest object in the sky (after the Sun, the Moon and Venus). It has been known since prehistoric times as a bright "wandering star". But in 1610 when Galileo first pointed a telescope at the sky he discovered Jupiter's four large moons Io, Europa, Ganymede and Callisto (now known as the Galilean moons) and recorded their motions back and forth around Jupiter. This was the first discovery of a center of motion not apparently centered on the Earth. It was a major point in favor of Copernicus's heliocentric theory of the motions of the planets (along with other new evidence from his telescope: the phases of Venus and the mountains on the Moon). Galileo's outspoken support of the Copernican theory got him in trouble with the Inquisition. Today anyone can repeat Galileo's observations (without fear of retribution :-) using binoculars or an inexpensive telescope.

[Aristotal]

Re: Fixing the Main Event

so..... this isn't a thread about cheating?

[marty_palin]

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MY GOD, what drugs are you injecting into yourself?

Do you read BBV and BBV4L et. al. You are SERIOUSLY suggesting they let a bunch of KIDS reorganise the ME of the WSOP

I swear to god if I'm not being levelled here my head is about to asplode.

LOL, I can go to sleep laughing tonight after reading this post.

Solid gold man!!

[Puf2006champ]

I find it intriguing that "the pros" claim that the fields have gotten so large that "the pros" cannot win bracelets anymore. I guess Allen Cunningham and Erik Siedel have found some magical beans that the other pros can't seem to find.

Is the goal basically to have 2000 amateurs put up money and have the 100 "pros" split it amongst themselves? This went slightly off-course, but I agree that the OP is an idiot.

[NotFadeAway]

This is a joke, right? I assume you're making fun of those who complain that the ME is too hard for pros to win (or at least I hope so.)

[NotFadeAway]

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You must hate money, or not be very good at playing poker...

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I'd go with B. I doubt he understands the first part.

[RedManPlus]

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The World Series ain't broke -- so why are you fixin it?

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This thread shows how COMPLETELY brainwashed 2+2ers are...
Precisely because threads like this GANG RAPE any remaining non-conformist.

The WSOP ME is a joke:

(1) We just had the most boring FT ever...
With a charisma-free total unknown with a large stack...
Methodically grinding down...
A charisma-free table (except for Rain) for 20 hours.

(2) The Top 10 interesting Poker Pros...
Have close to ZERO chance of even making the FT.

(3) 2+2 2007 traffic = 2005 traffic
The "poker boom" peaked 2 years ago.

I think most of you live in a "poker ghetto"...
And want to keep it "ghetto".

[RedManPlus]

And just to highlight how statistically ridiculous the WSOP ME is...
In reducing Poker Pros to "coin flipping monkeys":

The Masters as run by WSOP clowns:

(1) 6000 golfers tee off on 1st hole

(2) ONLY the golfers that birdie 1st hole advance

(3) Down to maybe 600... then only golfers that birdie 2nd hole advance, etc.

(4) the obscure club pro with zero charisma that birdies the first 7 holes wins become "Masters Champion".

(4) Tiger has to birdie the first 7 holes to win

According to you guys...
The "WSOP Masters" would be "good for golf".

LMFAO

But this could never happen...
Because Pro Golf is run by adults...
Not a sleazy casino which the usual agenda...
To fleece 6,000 lambs.

[dlk9s]

I would like to extend a hearty congratulations to RedManPlus, as he may have wrenched the "worst WSOP forum poster" title from our OP.

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(1) We just had the most boring FT ever...
With a charisma-free total unknown with a large stack...
Methodically grinding down...

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It was no more boring than any other final table, Main Event or not. It had plenty of all-in excitement and plenty of boring folds.

I guess you didn't see the chip counts to start the table. Yang was the 2nd shortest stack to begin, not a big stack. He made power moves for the first 2+ orbits, actually making for one of the most interesting beginnings to a final table. In no way whatsoever did Yang "methodically grind down." And I think he's quite charismatic. Sure, he sits quietly like Chris Ferguson at the table (until an all-in), but when interviewed, he had a great personality.

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The Top 10 interesting Poker Pros...
Have close to ZERO chance of even making the FT.

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Um....ok. Who determines who is interesting? You? I guess Lee Watkinson and Allan Cunningham aren't interesting because they aren't chatty? Your interesting guy, Mike Matusow, made the FT in 2005.

As to your golf analogy, it doesn't make sense. Golf is a different game entirely. And besides if that format was tried, you'd get a lot more "big name pros" advancing than amateurs, which seems to me is what you would want.

[Dranoel]

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But this could never happen...
Because Pro Golf is run by adults...
Not a sleazy casino which the usual agenda...
To fleece 6,000 lambs.

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You are a complete & utter idiot.

Everyone that plays poker does it because of a choice. There's no gun to our head forcing us to play.

We choose to put our money down, because we feel that we have a chance to win.

Don't begrudge & and create idiotic analogies between poker and golf that makes sense only to you. The simple fact is that you just don't get it- and the Main Event continues to thrive because others do.

I can't wait for your next poker idea. Let me take a stab at it for you:

Ban all non-professional players from entering poker tournaments.

But, one thing you forget (which is no surprise) is tomorrows poker Superstars are todays amateur player grinding his teeth out on the circuit or casino.

Thanks for posting...

[Willy]

[quote(1) We just had the most boring FT ever...
With a charisma-free total unknown with a large stack...
Methodically grinding down...
A charisma-free table (except for Rain) for 20 hours.
We must have watched different tournaments. the one that I watched was fascinating.




(3) 2+2 2007 traffic = 2005 traffic
The "poker boom" peaked 2 years ago.
Was a surprisingly large field given the political climate.

[Willy]

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And just to highlight how statistically ridiculous the WSOP ME is...
In reducing Poker Pros to "coin flipping monkeys":

The Masters as run by WSOP clowns:

(1) 6000 golfers tee off on 1st hole

(2) ONLY the golfers that birdie 1st hole advance

(3) Down to maybe 600... then only golfers that birdie 2nd hole advance, etc.

(4) the obscure club pro with zero charisma that birdies the first 7 holes wins become "Masters Champion".

(4) Tiger has to birdie the first 7 holes to win

According to you guys...
The "WSOP Masters" would be "good for golf".

LMFAO

But this could never happen...
Because Pro Golf is run by adults...
Not a sleazy casino which the usual agenda...
To fleece 6,000 lambs.

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That is a great idea. Might make golf worth watching. Send it to the networks. would rival high stakes golf on NBC

[RedManPlus]

On the other hand...

The winner of the WSOP ME...
Just set back the Sklansky Atheist Crusade by 10 years...
So maybe it doesn't need "fixing".

Also...
The Hmong mountain people of Laos...
Are the best poker players in the world...
So the brilliantly thought out WSOP ME structure worked perfectly.

[AngusThermopyle]

"Fixing the Main Event" ~= "Fixing a Cat"

[The_Corpse]

I can smell that "idea" from here...

[davidlong14]

OMG

[timmay28]

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This went slightly off-course, but I agree that the OP is an idiot.

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Oh yeah? Well you're a degenerate jackass. Gee, slinging untrue insults at each other from behind a computer is so much fun!

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[timmay28]

While we're here, I think this is the appropriate medium to make an announcement. I'm gay.

[DVaut1]

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And just to highlight how statistically ridiculous the WSOP ME is...
In reducing Poker Pros to "coin flipping monkeys":

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- More players = more hands played to go deep

- More hands played to go deep = less likely players who went deep were able to luckbox their way there

The entire "lolz zomg the WSOP is just a big luckbox lottery now" is entirely contradicted by the fact that, while so many entrants necessarily means the Main Event *will be* high variance, it takes much more skill to go deep in the current generation of Main Events with 5000+ players than it did even a decade ago when the Main Event only had a few hundred runners, because the players who go deep in fields with 5000+ players made so many more decisions than their predecessors did in smaller fields.

[Wolverine]

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[The B]

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much more interesting to watch on tv.

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here'e the problem....the ME is not about ESPN coverage

[Isura]

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here'e the problem....the ME is not about ESPN coverage

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actually.. its about harrahs and espn becoming richer

[oddsock]

I know I'm late but I have to say this is perhaps the best post I have ever read.

Why not get your forum to simply choose each winner of each WSOP event? Imagine the time saved! We can all get back to the craps tables/the pool/coked up whore, etc.


Seriously - FANTASTIC.

[RedManPlus]

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And just to highlight how statistically ridiculous the WSOP ME is...
In reducing Poker Pros to "coin flipping monkeys":

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- More players = more hands played to go deep

- More hands played to go deep = less likely players who went deep were able to luckbox their way there

The entire "lolz zomg the WSOP is just a big luckbox lottery now" is entirely contradicted by the fact that, while so many entrants necessarily means the Main Event *will be* high variance, it takes much more skill to go deep in the current generation of Main Events with 5000+ players than it did even a decade ago when the Main Event only had a few hundred runners, because the players who go deep in fields with 5000+ players made so many more decisions than their predecessors did in smaller fields.

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OMG, a serious reply.

>> it takes much more skill to go deep in the current generation of MEs

This is a tricky area.

The skill levels of the Top 10 or Top 100 players...
RELATIVE TO THE REST OF THE WORLD...
Hasn't changed in the last 20 years.

During the WSOP ME radio broadcast that I enjoyed for about 10 hours...
(Though it's so "inside baseball" that only a few 1000 people might actually listen)...
One Pro said, that in his estimate, ** 1 in 20 ME entrants are known Pros **.

Skill becomes very secondary...
When 300 Pros have to bust 5,000 amateurs.

A valid way to examine a math problem is to take it to an extreme.

So let's imagine...
That 300 Pros join 5,000,000 amateurs at the ME.

It's obvious what happens... skill now has no meaning.

The more amateurs you have in the ME...
The less skill matters...
And it becomes a farce at some point.

It was sickening when the Rio PR mouthpiece come on the broadcast...
And just played everyone for a fool with his silky, smooth BS.

The reason for this format is to maximize Casino profits.
It's a pure form of the Lansky/Siegel strategy that built Vegas:
"We will trap them in the desert... and take their money".

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OMG, a serious reply.

>> it takes much more skill to go deep in the current generation of MEs

This is a tricky area.

The skill levels of the Top 10 or Top 100 players...
RELATIVE TO THE REST OF THE WORLD...
Hasn't changed in the last 20 years.

During the WSOP ME radio broadcast that I enjoyed for about 10 hours...
(Though it's so "inside baseball" that only a few 1000 people might actually listen)...
One Pro said, that in his estimate, ** 1 in 20 ME entrants are known Pros **.

Skill becomes very secondary...
When 300 Pros have to bust 5,000 amateurs.

A valid way to examine a math problem is to take it to an extreme.

So let's imagine...
That 300 Pros join 5,000,000 amateurs at the ME.

It's obvious what happens... skill now has no meaning.

The more amateurs you have in the ME...
The less skill matters...
And it becomes a farce at some point.

It was sickening when the Rio PR mouthpiece come on the broadcast...
And just played everyone for a fool with his silky, smooth BS.

The reason for this format is to maximize Casino profits.
It's a pure form of the Lansky/Siegel strategy that built Vegas:
"We will trap them in the desert... and take their money".

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Uh, what? Read Theory of Poker please.

More players => more hands => more decisions => more opportunity for good players to exploit bad players => less opportunity for bad players to get lucky and run deep because they have to make so many decisions

I'm not saying it's impossible for a bad player to get lucky and go deep and make the final table, *but* it's much less likely to happen in fields of 5000+ players where going deep necessarily involves tens thousands of hands and hundreds of decisions by each player. Skill has *more* meaning now that it did back when the fields were only hundreds of players large. This is not particularly arguable. Claiming that pros don't make final tables at the Main Event at the same ratio they did in the pre-Moneymaker days (if even true) does not mean the players who are going deep and making the final table are bad. There's also a plausible argument to be made that many of the "name pros" could be losing players and might not be that skilled to begin with, so we shouldn't expect to see them go deep in the Main Event. Sklansky has state numerous times on this forum that many "famous names" in the poker world are actually losing players. So it's entirely possible that so-called "unknowns" who make the final table are better decision makers/players than the "name" players.

But yeah, you're right to note it's surprising I made a seriously reply here, because it's doubtful it was worth my effort.

[cabbagehead7]

I bet OP was a hall monitor in school.

[SmackeytheFrog]

RedManPlus, since you're so interested in fairness, why did you make such a point of charisma? How the fark is this even a relevant issue? It may be a televised event, but the money comes from players. Who cares about charisma? How about winning poker?

[Puf2006champ]

Wait, will there be equal numbers in the A and B divisions? Otherwise, the awesome pro who survives the group of the 100-200 bestest pros ever in the world gets put at the final table with the crappy crap amateurs who have to beat 6000 people. Sweet deal for $8 million.

[Quicksilvre]

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I'll 3rd that. Maybe the worst post I've ever read in this section.

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wow, add me to the list plzkthx

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5th!

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6th

[Syntec87]

too lazy to find it but whoever mentioned Timmmmmmyyyyyyy from Southpark had it right

[afadeyi]

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[pokergrader]

This is too hard for the poker pros. Beating 6,000 amateurs is probably easier than beating 8 pros. Of the 6,000 amateurs, at least 5,500 of them are dead money. That equals $55 million dollars in dead money. Now contrast that with the poker pros, where they are so good the money is negative living money. So each pro is actually losing money just sitting at the table.

So the people in "group A" have basically no chance of making the sweet 16, while the amateurs in group B are getting over $1 million dollars in dead money each, and pretty much are a lock for the final table. Does this sound fair to the poker pros? I think not.

[Jurollo]

I havent read this thread. But the main event should stay EXACTLY like it was this year next year. The structure was F'ing amazing.

[wheelflush]

i haven't read this thread. but i would like to win the ME someday so i can talk to tiffany michelle.

[TiffanyHotChips]

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i haven't read this thread. but i would like to win the ME someday so i can talk to tiffany michelle.

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Ha Ha... that made me laugh outloud. Well, thanks so much for the compliment... and keep in mind that you don't have to win the MAIN EVENT to talk to me, any bracelet event will do! /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[wheelflush]

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i haven't read this thread. but i would like to win the ME someday so i can talk to tiffany michelle.

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[Dangeresque]

About the only things you could do to the ME to make it more likely that a top pro was going to win would be shuffle machines, and $5 chips. (The latter necessitating many more levels, maybe another entire day.)

Also, I kind of like his idea. If only the winner cashes, and everyone starts the ME with $10K, meaning that the amateurs that get to the 'sweet sixteen' have the pros 10-1 in chips. I'm sorry, but it wasn't luck that blew Scotty Nguyen out of the final table, after amassing about a quarter of the chips, if you hear him tell you, it was Scotty Nguyen. Golf pros can shoot 80 and Scotty can donk himself out of existence in the ME. It happens.

So, to reiterate: OP's idea = bad and will kill the ME. There was a tournament of Champions, it was enjoyed by some.

Pros constantly go deep, but now there are more amateurs than pros. People have been bitching about amateurs and satellites in the ME since the early 90's. Don't believe me? You Tube.