Do i really fold this hand?

[Scuba974]

Stage #710691673: Holdem No Limit $0.25 - 2007-07-18 00:10:09 (ET)
Table: PEORIA (Real Money) Seat #4 is the dealer
Seat 4 - AGGRAVATED ($13.05 in chips)
Seat 5 - DAUBSTER412 ($48 in chips)
Seat 6 - NEWGUY44 ($25.15 in chips)
Seat 1 - SKIMKID ($101.21 in chips)
Seat 2 - BLUES_FAN23 ($10 in chips)
Seat 3 - MJ232345 ($8.15 in chips)
DAUBSTER412 - Posts small blind $0.10
NEWGUY44 - Posts big blind $0.25
BLUES_FAN23 - Posts $0.25
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to SKIMKID [Ks As]
SKIMKID - Raises $0.85 to $0.85
BLUES_FAN23 - Calls $0.60
MJ232345 - Calls $0.85
AGGRAVATED - Calls $0.85
DAUBSTER412 - Folds
NEWGUY44 - Calls $0.60
*** FLOP *** [8s 6h 3s]
NEWGUY44 - Checks
SKIMKID - Checks
BLUES_FAN23 - Checks
MJ232345 - Bets $1
AGGRAVATED - Raises $5 to $5
NEWGUY44 - Folds
SKIMKID - Raises $26.50 to $26.50
BLUES_FAN23 - Folds
MJ232345 - All-In $6.30
AGGRAVATED - All-In $7.20
SKIMKID - returned ($14.30) : not called
*** TURN *** [8s 6h 3s] [3c]
*** RIVER *** [8s 6h 3s 3c] [7c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
SKIMKID - Shows [Ks As] (One pair, threes)
MJ232345 - Shows [4s 7s] (Two Pair, sevens and threes)
AGGRAVATED - Shows [8c 8d] (Full house, eights full of threes)
AGGRAVATED Collects $9.32 from side pot-1
AGGRAVATED Collects $24.93 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($36.05:$26.25,$9.80) | Rake ($1.80:$1.32,$0.48)
Board [8s 6h 3s 3c 7c]
Seat 1: SKIMKID HI:lost with One pair, threes [Ks As - B:3s,B:3c,P:As,P:Ks,B:8s]
Seat 2: BLUES_FAN23 Folded on the FLOP
Seat 3: MJ232345 HI:lost with Two Pair, sevens and threes [4s 7s - P:7s,B:7c,B:3s,B:3c,B:8s]
Seat 4: AGGRAVATED (dealer) won Total ($34.25) All-In HI:($34.25) with Full house, eights full of threes [8c 8d - B:8s,P:8d,P:8c,B:3s,B:3c]
Seat 5: DAUBSTER412 (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: NEWGUY44 (big blind) Folded on the FLOP

[michaelantoi]

standard.

[jerryf1914]

why wouldn't you fold that hand? how often cna you possibly win that hand?

[Scuba974]

my arguement here is that, they are short stack...so i dont care to stick it in...but if they had full buy-ins i would have lead out and folded to a re-raise??? or no...

[michaelantoi]

yep, standard because of stack sizes.

[Manomanman]

What kind of hand are you putting them on when they push their baby stack into the pot? Low pocket pair? You have to put in $7ish to get a $11 pot. You're somewhere around a 2-1 dog against at least one of your opponents if you assume he has a pair. I'm not sure exactly how your EV comes out, because I'm trying to calculate it with mush in my brains. I'll work the numbers out tomorrow.

I think it's a -EV play if you have to put more than 1/3-1/4 of 11 ($2.75ish) into the pot. Once again, I don't claim to have the right math, but I think your play was -EV in this situation.

[gimmetheloot]

how can u check that flop? that is soooo criminal. b/3b it allllll day long.

[jessyj07]

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how can u check that flop? that is soooo criminal. b/3b it allllll day long.

[/ QUOTE ]to reiterate never ever ever check this flop.

[ajmargarine]

checking flop is fine. Preferred IMO.

[Lego05]

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how can u check that flop? that is soooo criminal. b/3b it allllll day long.

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[Lego05]

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checking flop is fine. Preferred IMO.

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Why?

[ajmargarine]

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checking flop is fine. Preferred IMO.

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Why?

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Because b3b ai is good in theory, but it doesn't always happen at uNL. You bet and get called alot on that board, not raised. It's 5 handed with 3 shorties left to act. Let one of them bet, which they will with a wider range if you don't bet. Then push when it comes back to you.