Phil Gordon is a [deleted]

[DFSPON]

Gordon has essentially said that Yang is playing bad poker. I wish I were playing as bad as Yang is playing. Perhaps the A9 call would have been hopeless in most instances but he had Watkinson dominated. And yes he sucked out on the J8 suited. But overall he has been playing excellent big stack poker. Gordon is whining because Watkinson is his Full Tilt Teammate. Show some objectivity stretch. If I remember correctly, when you won your WPT Tournament, you played like crap at the end and got lucky. So kiss my rear.

DFSPON

[WuTank]

ahaha, Yang is worse than Gold.

[RichGangi]

I hope for your sake this post is a level. 'Excellent big stack poker.' LOLZ.

[shipitkthx]

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But overall he has been playing excellent big stack poker.

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Hahahahaha...wait...what????

I love how over-betting the pot and calling shoves with any 2 is actually considered "good poker" by anyone. Hopefully a new round of donks will share this view and play cash games with me. I'll be waiting.

[RichGangi]

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But overall he has been playing excellent big stack poker.

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Hahahahaha...wait...what????

I love how over-betting the pot and calling shoves with any 2 is actually considered "good poker" by anyone. Hopefully a new round of donks will share this view and play cash games with me. I'll be waiting.

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Hahahaha...me too man. Im rooting for this uberdonk all the way.

[twonine29]

Phil Gordon should stop criticizing these players, he always says things like, "you have to take a stab here", this is the main event final table, let them play how they want too.

[etown]

couldnt agree with you more i cant stand some of his comments
hes playing great big stack poker and making some great players look like donks
like really a7 against a calling station anyone knows you dont bluff a calling station that has lots of chips

[AHoboOnFire]

I wish Gordon would stop criticizing and start analyzing.

[FireStorm]

Yang is playing poorly and Gordon is correct, but clearly Gordon does too much criticizing. Between this telecast and the last, he may have mentioned *a few* too many times that limping is bad. We get the point, Phil.

[Terrapin Soup]

Whatever, you all would be all over him if he was Blandy McBlanderson.

If Jose Reyes struck out 20 times in a row, do you think after the sixth or seventh time that the announcers would give up mentioning how horrible he looks at the plate, how he was dropping his back shoulder too much or whatthehellever? Not a chance.

Do you really need a color comm guy who tells you that AK5 is a great flop for 55 or that "he needs a 9, and a 9 only, to stay in this tournament"? Gordon has strong opinions, and who knows, maybe that's why they want him on the broadcast?

[betgo]

Gordon is not a strong player and his analysis is painful to listen to. He is a wealthy amateur who had some success at donkaments when they were smaller fields. He is also a a pretty good talker.

Gordon and Helmuth were criticizing the reraise allin with AQo by Rainkahn against the loose chip leader, which was absolutely an automatic play. Also, the reraise allin and call blind versus blind by Yang and Watkinson were standard. Gordon goes on about how limping is bad.

Yang is obviously not a polished player, but amateurs with an aggressive style have won about half the time lately, for example, Gold, Moneymaker, Varkonyi, and Furlong.

[zaxx19]

Automatic play?

I think you are misunderstanding the structure differences between the WSOP final table and late in a Donkament online.

2 entirely different animals...

Calling with A9 there is not AUTOMATIC.

It is read specific....you better have some table dynamic understanding or a stong physical read...or else you fold.

[betgo]

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Automatic play?

I think you are misunderstanding the structure differences between the WSOP final table and late in a Donkament online.

2 entirely different animals...

Calling with A9 there is not AUTOMATIC.

It is read specific....you better have some table dynamic understanding or a stong physical read...or else you fold.

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I said calling with A9 BvB was standard. The reraise with AQ was automatic. With Yang's aggressive image, Watkinson's image as a fairly aggressive strong pro, and Yang being able to afford the chips, I think is was the correct play without a read.

I suppose you are saying that you should play weak/tight at a major tournament or assume other people are playing weak/tight. I think that depends on your read of the player and neither player here was a standard weak/tight live donkament player.

[Degenerasian]

lol Phil Gordon

[DesertCat]

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Gordon is not a strong player and his analysis is painful to listen to. He is a wealthy amateur who had some success at donkaments when they were smaller fields. He is also a a pretty good talker

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Yea it's not like he's ever been in the final 4 of the ME final table before, so what gives him the right to criticize?

[ClownfishX]

I was on his side for a while, but all he seems to do is criticize people's bet sizes....big deal, get over it. People can bet what they want, that's why it's no-limit. That's what makes it interesting.

Seems to work for some people anyway...

[tubasteve]

he just called out 2p2 on the broadcast :<

[ImsaKidd]

[x] NEEDS TO SAY LOL DONKAMENTS

[imjoshsizemore]

someone call in and level phil please

[EasyToRead]

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someone call in and level phil please

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Sir, may I introduce you to Bill Edler?

[SmokeyRidesAgain]

Less Phil Gordon more Tony G.

[Isura]

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I wish Gordon would stop criticizing and start analyzing.

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its hard when you suck at poker

[Ckrad]

well, he just broke out the "lol donkament."

[Humble Pie]

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Phil Gordon is a Horse's Ass

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[Synergistic Explosions]

I think PG is doing a great job at commentating.

[fatshaft]

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he just called out 2p2 on the broadcast :<

[/ QUOTE ]Haha, that was funny.

[Synur]

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he just called out 2p2 on the broadcast :<

[/ QUOTE ]Haha, that was funny.

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What did he say?

[kioshk]

Classless the way he's ragging on Gavin Smith right now. No class.

[betgo]

Weak tight idiot. Criticizes both players allin blind versus blind. Criticizes Yang for making loose calls of resteals and blind defence. These plays were slightly cEV-, but necessary for running over the table. Criticizes Rahme for pushing 4xpot on flop and overbet restealing. Rahme's play was a little crude and straightforward, but the pushes are not as reckless as they seem.

[JackCase]

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Criticizes Rahme for pushing 4xpot on flop and overbet restealing. Rahme's play was a little crude and straightforward, but the pushes are not as reckless as they seem.

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Gordon obviously did not appreciate Rahme's near flawless play. From an AP story on Yahoo:

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Finally, Rahme went down when he pushed all-in with pocket kings on a board with an ace. After several minutes of pacing and a staredown, Yang made the call holding an ace and a five, for two aces, and Rahme shook his head in resignation.




"That was the only mistake I made in the whole tournament," Rahme said.

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[elcastigador]

how many bracelets does Gordon have again?.....oh wait....

Seriously can't stand some of the comments that were made. Thank Yang's gods for volume control.

[GotQuads]

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Do you really need a color comm guy who tells you that AK5 is a great flop for 55 or that "he needs a 9, and a 9 only, to stay in this tournament"? Gordon has strong opinions, and who knows, maybe that's why they want him on the broadcast?

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Yeah probably. I love it when he tells people how much to bet on each street, it's hilarious.

[JackCase]

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how many bracelets does Gordon have again?.....oh wait....



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Gordon won a WPT tournament and finished 4th at a WSOP ME. He has also written several very good basic poker books. If people don't like his style, that's understandable and strictly a matter of taste. He can be annoying and abrasive. But I'm guessing that he is a better poker player than the vast majority of the people who are whining about him being clueless.

[The B]

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I wish Gordon would stop criticizing and start analyzing.

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the Billy Packer of Poker

[Dunkman]

I thought pretty much everything Yang did was spot on, considering his situation. He knew he was one of the worst players at the table. As a result, he made big bets and overbets putting the better players at risk for their stacks. The better players obviously would rather not take flips, since they know they have an advantage, so they passed. Combine that with people's desire to move up in prize money, and it worked quite well. I'll agree some of his calls were pretty donkish, but they had the very beneficial side effect of preventing people from playing back at him with marginal hands, since they knew he couldn't fold. He obviously ran well, but for a player who is bad and is going to get outplayed pretty consistently in the long run, making hands short and putting people to decisions for their stacks PF is the best way to play because it minimizes their edge against you.

[betgo]

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I thought pretty much everything Yang did was spot on, considering his situation. He knew he was one of the worst players at the table. As a result, he made big bets and overbets putting the better players at risk for their stacks. The better players obviously would rather not take flips, since they know they have an advantage, so they passed. Combine that with people's desire to move up in prize money, and it worked quite well. I'll agree some of his calls were pretty donkish, but they had the very beneficial side effect of preventing people from playing back at him with marginal hands, since they knew he couldn't fold. He obviously ran well, but for a player who is bad and is going to get outplayed pretty consistently in the long run, making hands short and putting people to decisions for their stacks PF is the best way to play because it minimizes their edge against you.

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Yeh, I agree with this, except for the part about being one of the worst players at the FT. He took control of the table from the beginning. He played an effective aggressive game. You can't raise all the time and fold easily to a reraise. The commentators said it was impossible to put him on a hand.

Someone who plays a technically correct but weak/tight readable game is not necessarily a better player than someone who plays an aggressive unpredictable game. There were about several fairly strong players there and some more readable ABC types.

Yang could have been out if he had worse luck at the beginning. He and Rahme were the only two amateurs and both played in an obviously less polished style than the others. Yang is not as strong a player as Watkinson or Kravchenko, but I don't think he was one of the worse players at the FT.

Yang played very aggressively and took control of the table early, particularly with the hand he got Childs to lay down QQ face up. He won a coin flip with TPTK against pair and flush draw and a preflop coin flop and preflop 2-1 dog hand early. Then he played a pretty strong big stack game.

[elcastigador]

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how many bracelets does Gordon have again?.....oh wait....



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Gordon won a WPT tournament and finished 4th at a WSOP ME. He has also written several very good basic poker books. If people don't like his style, that's understandable and strictly a matter of taste. He can be annoying and abrasive. But I'm guessing that he is a better poker player than the vast majority of the people who are whining about him being clueless.

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Gordon is not a strong player and his analysis is painful to listen to. He is a wealthy amateur who had some success at donkaments when they were smaller fields. He is also a a pretty good talker.


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Who likes to hear himself talk, hence him looking like a complete tool on poker after dark claiming to make stupid sophisticated reads against Sexton and opponents. And I could write a book on poker, doesn't give me the right to call one of the final four players at the ME an idiot for putting pressure on the big stack because he's a little inexperienced in that kind of a lime light. IMO Gordon just likes to hear himself talk about his overly thought-out philosophies about the unlimited texas hold them, being one of the most mediocre amatuer authors/players out there.

[betgo]

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Who likes to hear himself talk, hence him looking like a complete tool on poker after dark claiming to make stupid sophisticated reads against Sexton and opponents. And I could write a book on poker, doesn't give me the right to call one of the final four players at the ME an idiot for putting pressure on the big stack because he's a little inexperienced in that kind of a lime light. IMO Gordon just likes to hear himself talk about his overly thought-out philosophies about the unlimited texas hold them, being one of the most mediocre amatuer authors/players out there.

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He gets paid to give opinions on what everyone has and so on. I couldn't do it. He is a pretty good talker with good presentation, looks, as so on.

However, his commentary was very ABC and weak/tight. He kept talking about how this or that is an automatic raise or bet, how people were playing too risky, and how you shouldn't limp or very the size of your preflop raises. Like playing in an obvious way is the way to win at the WSOP ME FT.

I actually don't think his books are that bad. However, he is a rich guy who enters a zillion major tournaments and made some final tables. I don't know if he could consistantly win playing many medium stakes online or live tournaments or at reasonable stakes cash games.

[Pokerpun]

I like PG and his books and DVD and website.

My problem with the commentary was that it was so basic ironically I felt there was not any "expert insight" for me in the commentary - I really think Daniel N , Hellmuth or possibly a lt of players could have given us more to get our teeth in to in the commentary - though perhaps ESPN had a policy of encouraging im to keep it simple.

[elcastigador]

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I like PG and his books and DVD and website.

My problem with the commentary was that it was so basic ironically I felt there was not any "expert insight" for me in the commentary - I really think Daniel N , Hellmuth or possibly a lt of players could have given us more to get our teeth in to in the commentary - though perhaps ESPN had a policy of encouraging im to keep it simple.

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touche' sir

[DJSHAD0W]

at least he was honest enough to admit that out of 250 hands he had analyzed 200+ wrong.....

[Jasper109]

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I like PG and his books and DVD and website.

My problem with the commentary was that it was so basic ironically I felt there was not any "expert insight" for me in the commentary - I really think Daniel N , Hellmuth or possibly a lt of players could have given us more to get our teeth in to in the commentary - though perhaps ESPN had a policy of encouraging im to keep it simple.

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Why would they want him to keep it simple?

How many casual poker fans were watching the PPV last night?

[betgo]

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I like PG and his books and DVD and website.

My problem with the commentary was that it was so basic ironically I felt there was not any "expert insight" for me in the commentary - I really think Daniel N , Hellmuth or possibly a lt of players could have given us more to get our teeth in to in the commentary - though perhaps ESPN had a policy of encouraging im to keep it simple.

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Why would they want him to keep it simple?

How many casual poker fans were watching the PPV last night?

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Phil Gordon is probably a professional level player, but he is not in a league with someone like Negreanu. I just don't think he is capable of giving a sophisticated analysis. It is also true that they may want to keep it basic for the least common denominator.

[gsolis]

Basically he was more abrasive after Hellmuth came on and told him he was out of his element.

[betgo]

I thought Gordon's commentary on the postflop play was better than his commentary on the preflop play. First of all, there were a bunch of standard resteal plays where he goes that's way too dangerous.

Then he comments on bet size and calling ranges without indicating the strategy behind it. First of all, Yang is a fish for making cEV- calls, but it is obvious that is the only way he can play an aggressive big stack.

Then Kravchenko was using this weak approach of completing the SB against Yang. It was obvious Yang would resteal lightly to a reraise. Kravchenko wants to avoid a big coin flip due to playout structure and his skill advantage. Also, he wants to keep the pot small and let Yang make mistakes postflop. Gordon did mention the possibility of a limpreraise.

Rahme is criticized for big open raises and overbet reraises allin and flop pushes. These plays seem donkish, but they do put pressure on other players. They make it harder for him to be outplayed postflop. Rahme probably knows he is over his head and wants to keep things simple.

[LuckyTxGuy]

I find it hilarious there are other threads going in this exact same forum severely bashing Yang and the way he played. It is more than fair to say most of the people bashing him have little or no major tournament success but feel they have the authority to call him a donkey etc. When someone like Gordon, who (like him or not) is a good poker player with a large amount of success criticizes Yang it's the end of the world.

That is called a double standard.

Oh and I don't think Gordon should be severely criticizing his play either. I just find it odd that before Yang even won, there were threads here titled "Do you hate Jerry Yang already" and such bashing him to no end. At least Gordon is doing his bashing out in the open versus hiding behind a computer screen and an anonymous user name.

[PopeInRome]

Phil Gordon was awful. Hour after hour of him constantly criticizing people made the broadcast kind of depressing.

[SuperUberBob]

This was possibly the weakest FT in ME history. Nobody stood up to Yang all tournament. It was like he read Super System front to back the night before the final table.

[luvrhino]

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How many casual poker fans were watching the PPV last night?

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I sweated Phil Gordon for a bit over at Full Tilt tonight so that i could provide some positive and negative feedback on the broadcast. He estimated that the audience broke down to: 20% casual, 60% intermediate to advanced amatuer, and 20% professional or expert level.

FYI, he classified himself as an advanced amateur, which is why, he claimed, he tried leaving the more advanced analysis to the guests. I still think he dumbed down the broadcast too much (e.g. "you only hit the flop 35% of the time"), but he maintains that was necessary. I do recognize that it's bloody hard to analyze 3rd level thinking when you have no clue what any of the hole cards are.

[pococurante]

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he just called out 2p2 on the broadcast :<

[/ QUOTE ]Haha, that was funny.

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Anyone know what he said?

[oddsock]

Something along the lines of "We apparently are very popular on 2p2 at the moment - perhaps they would like to e-mail the show instead." and an ironic "They love us." was in there somewhere.

[GotQuads]

He also said that all 2+2ers are geniuses, which is true.

[Sofisdad]

Unsubstantiated rumor:

Gordon posts on here under 'antisocialgrace'

A few posts from his latest rant in:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...ue#Post11211771 (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=WSOP&Number=11211771&Sear chpage=1&Main=11208410&Words=+antisocialgrace&topi c=&Search=true#Post11211771)

"This juvenile little misogynistic degenerate shithole is the wrong place to post about "class".

The truth is poker players, especially higher stakes poker players, are typically losers in life who couldn't make it in the real world so they turned to being scumbag hustlers. Accordingly this kind of behavior from the sort of krunks who look up to scumbag hustlers shouldn't surprise anyone and is the rule rather than the exception.

If it's me sitting in seat four some punk is getting hurt."

"I play high micro stakes now, soon to be murdering low stakes. That must frustrate a lot of you 2+2 punks that some jerk who took up the game later in life and doesn't angle-shoot, multi-account, chip dump or collude is actually doing alright.

Although it's highly unlikely you would ever find me in a casino because of my social limitations and general aversion to degenerate scumbags in public settings, were I to reduce myself to such ignominy I assure you I'm quite capable causing someone grievous personal injury under appropriate circumstances. I can't imagine in my wildest imagination not being moved to confrontation if some inebreiated punkshit restricted my right of way after the scumbag degenerate donkey he's heaping misplaced adulation on sucked out on me.

As far as exposing poker players for the scum they are being the primary motivation for and purpose of my existence ...

not even I'm that pathetic."

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My first post was entirely related to the subject at hand, maybe you ought to go back through the thread.

As is often the case in here some moron decided to attack me for voicing my opinion on a particular aspect of tournament poker I really don't like.

Naturally since I am so completely superior to the new generation of attention starved adolescent wankers and wannabees who typically can't find it within themselves to be gracious toward someone busted out on a bad beat, I felt compelled to say a few things that have been on my mind. "

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You've already admitted to being a scumbag cheat yourself Johnny, and what's worse a scumbag cheat for the house. Ergo how about you let those of us who aren't scumbag cheats ask and answer questions about Poker's virtue compared to other professions.

There was never a time when cheating was acceptable despite whatever internal spin doctoring you scumbags engaged in to sleep at night. There will never come a time when it's acceptable regardless of how many ZeeJustin's and Johnny Hughes tempt us to overhaul our own strict moral codes. "

[growlers]

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Unsubstantiated rumor:

Gordon posts on here under 'antisocialgrace'

A few posts from his latest rant in:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...ue#Post11211771 (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=WSOP&Number=11211771&Sear chpage=1&Main=11208410&Words=+antisocialgrace&topi c=&Search=true#Post11211771)

"This juvenile little misogynistic degenerate shithole is the wrong place to post about "class".

The truth is poker players, especially higher stakes poker players, are typically losers in life who couldn't make it in the real world so they turned to being scumbag hustlers. Accordingly this kind of behavior from the sort of krunks who look up to scumbag hustlers shouldn't surprise anyone and is the rule rather than the exception.

If it's me sitting in seat four some punk is getting hurt."

"I play high micro stakes now, soon to be murdering low stakes. That must frustrate a lot of you 2+2 punks that some jerk who took up the game later in life and doesn't angle-shoot, multi-account, chip dump or collude is actually doing alright.

Although it's highly unlikely you would ever find me in a casino because of my social limitations and general aversion to degenerate scumbags in public settings, were I to reduce myself to such ignominy I assure you I'm quite capable causing someone grievous personal injury under appropriate circumstances. I can't imagine in my wildest imagination not being moved to confrontation if some inebreiated punkshit restricted my right of way after the scumbag degenerate donkey he's heaping misplaced adulation on sucked out on me.

As far as exposing poker players for the scum they are being the primary motivation for and purpose of my existence ...

not even I'm that pathetic."

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My first post was entirely related to the subject at hand, maybe you ought to go back through the thread.

As is often the case in here some moron decided to attack me for voicing my opinion on a particular aspect of tournament poker I really don't like.

Naturally since I am so completely superior to the new generation of attention starved adolescent wankers and wannabees who typically can't find it within themselves to be gracious toward someone busted out on a bad beat, I felt compelled to say a few things that have been on my mind. "

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You've already admitted to being a scumbag cheat yourself Johnny, and what's worse a scumbag cheat for the house. Ergo how about you let those of us who aren't scumbag cheats ask and answer questions about Poker's virtue compared to other professions.

There was never a time when cheating was acceptable despite whatever internal spin doctoring you scumbags engaged in to sleep at night. There will never come a time when it's acceptable regardless of how many ZeeJustin's and Johnny Hughes tempt us to overhaul our own strict moral codes. "

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Thanks for making me search his posts for the last 20 minutes. I think I just got leveled.
No way this is PG.

From a microlimits thread he posted multiple times in:
"Just the one, 19" I think. I usually overlay and just let them pop-up, but I've been known to tile and cascade also. It might be nice to see all the tables all the time, but I doubt I'd be able to pay enough attention to make a very big difference 12-tabling anyway. Where it would make a difference is with a HU display, which I presently don't use (I have Poker Office but the database really lags and makes it more of a hassle than it's probably worth). When I move up in stakes I probably will go with a second monitor setup and HU display."
"I'm not getting any younger, hence the accelerated learning curve. I got started late with poker but I did play a lot of chess from the time I was fairly young so I well understand the strategic concepts of adversarial give and take. Also I'm not new to the game, I've got in a few hundred-thousand hands including play money."
"This will probably surprise some people, but besides chess the other great multi-tabling training ground for me was pizza delivery. See once you've logged a few hundred road trips making 5-7 deliveries within a 45-minute window over a 50-60 square-mile culdesac purgatory of three different municipalities who each have their own vastly unique philosophy of how to organize address grids (and this was long before GPS) ... all the while throwing in the occasional traffic diversions, customers not answering their doors, wrong addresses, wrong phone numbers, wrong orders, speed bumps, idiot resturaunt managers, unchained Rottweilers who don't seem particularly fond of strangers and the always gleefully anticipated 2:00AM sojourn into the local housing project perpetually under some sort of "renovation" or "urban renewal" or some other political horse-sh-it that keeps the demagogues in good stead but does zero to improve the quality of life of the denizens or hapless pizza delivery drivers that may occasionally find themselves on the business end of a Saturday Night Special for their trouble ..

well gentlemen then 12-tabling micros is a vacation.

As for these B&M props who say online multi-tabling is bad for your career, that's just self-serving pablum with no basis in fact. On the contrary the greatest asset a poker player can have is experience. For those of us who got started late low limit multi-tabling affords an accelerated learning curve the B&M and higher limit online cash and tournament players can only dream about.

I promise you playing 100k hands, however quickly, is going to have far more educational impact then ruminating over Minneapolis Jim's left eye tic while you wait for hand #34 to be dealt two fricken hours into the Bay 101 Shooting Donkament. "

[Alex Jacob]

this thread is interesting though http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...rt=all&vc=1 (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=10345502&page=0&fpart=al l&vc=1)

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Yeah Phil is terrible. That's why he's one of only about four players to have both a FT appearance in the Main Event and a WPT title to his name.

You guys are such jerkoffs.

He doesn't claim to be great, yes he is annoying at times so are you and me, there are 150 other players I could name who are 1000 times worse for poker and more worthy of flaming.

I bet Phil Gordon has never thought about cheating, colluding, angle shooting, aggro-baiting or doing any of the other [censored] most of you punkshits and the big name players have probably done at one time or another that have given poker such a bad reputation.



Good grief. He got his money in with the best hand, got outdrawn in a tourney he desperately wanted to win because of [censored] like you who totally disrespect him (admittedly he's overly concerned about his image).. yeah he's going to feel a bit disheartened, so would you.

I think the fact the guy has $40 million and still cares as much as he does about excelling in another field says a lot about him. I have a lot more respect for Phil then I do for all the other independently wealthy players who are almost indifferent about winning or losing because of what they have away from the felt. I like his passion for the game.

Phil has some growing to do, but as poker players go he's still one of the classier ones I've seen on TV. He's not Patrick Antonious, John Juanda, Barry G or Chris Ferguson .. but he's certainly not Daniel, Gavin, Josh Arieh, Mike M, Phil Laak or Annie Duke either. Generally he conducts himself graciously.

Give the guy a break.

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[growlers]

So the guy likes Phil. That doesn't mean he is actually Phil.

I don't get all the hate on here on PG. I may need to do some searches to see where it comes from. I went to a book-signing here at Borders and chatted with him for awhile and he was a really nice humble guy. I was a little taken aback by his early Jerry Yang critcism on the PPV but if you watch the whole thing like I did in real time I was thinking the same thoughts at the time and he did put it into context later. I prefer the "raw" commentary and criticism than having some "everybody is great" play by play.
Wait...maybe I'm phil gordon and I'm leveling you.

[Jetto]

i enjoy phil gordons commentary and good insight he also has a couple good books.
LGB is prolly my fav poker book ive ever read IMO

[Yeti]

antisocial grace lives in washington state, im assuming phil doesnt.