25NL - deep with KK on cooordinated flop line

[Prodigy54321]

a little background...a couple hands before the second hand, this hand was played..button here is a different player..but I am guessing that my big pair isn't much of a mystery to the villain in the second hand

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh))

Hero (SB): $25.10
BB: $24.35
UTG: $14.75
MP: $41.90
CO: $23.15
BTN: $25.45

Preflop: Hero is dealt K/images/graemlins/heart.gif K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (6 Players)
3 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $1.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3.50</font>, BB folds, BTN calls $2.50

Flop: ($7.25) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $5.00</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises all-in to $21.95</font>, Hero calls all-in for $16.60
Uncalled bet of $0.35 returned to BTN
Uncalled bet of $0.00 returned to Hero

Turn: ($50.45) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 Players - 2 All-In)

River: ($50.45) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 Players - 2 All-In)

Pot Size: $50.45 ($2.50 Rake)

BTN had A/images/graemlins/spade.gif A/images/graemlins/club.gif (two pair, Aces and Sixes) and LOST (-$25.10)
Hero had K/images/graemlins/heart.gif K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (a flush, King high) and WON (+$22.85)

holla

haven't noticed anything strange from villain except that he is pretty aggressive...he is 22/14/3.4

after he pushed the turn he typed.."I don't have a 6"...I tend to think that people don't type things like this when they don't want a call...probably flopped a set or hit with high clubs or soemthing, right?

clear fold?..what about my whole line...is raise/folding the flop good? or should I be calling getting good enough odds on the flop

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh))

SB: $19.95
BB: $20.60
UTG: $41.00
MP: $23.15
CO: $24.00
Hero (BTN): $47.60

Preflop: Hero is dealt K/images/graemlins/heart.gif K/images/graemlins/spade.gif (6 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $1.00</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3.50</font>, 2 folds, UTG calls $2.50

Flop: ($7.35) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif 5/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $5.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $15.00</font>, UTG calls $10.00

Turn: ($37.35) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets all-in for $22.50</font>, Hero folds
Uncalled bet of $22.50 returned to UTG

Pot Size: $37.35 ($1.85 Rake)

[Prodigy54321]

bump

[klownage]

You played it fine. Might raise a bit more on flop.

[HojoMofo]

i think raising more preflop is good with kk, but thats me y0!

[relativity_x]

I'd raise 22 on the flop.

[Prodigy54321]

as I raised, are you guys probably callling a flop push?

what about if I do as you advised and raised more on the flop..you're definitely calling a flop push in that case, right?..considering the odds

[relativity_x]

do you mean if he b/3b on the flop? Or do you mean the turn push?

[Prodigy54321]

[ QUOTE ]
do you mean if he b/3b on the flop? Or do you mean the turn push?

[/ QUOTE ]

flop 3bet allin

[renotime]

i probably would have raised to about 6 dolllars preflop


otherwise i think you played it fine

[relativity_x]

preflop is fine.

[CmnDwnWrkn]

I don't see why you would raise that much more pre-flop. You don't want to completely discourage action...

[HojoMofo]

raising to 5 preflop encourages action later in the hand DUCY?

[monkeymaps]

I get what your saying but this oponents stats imply he is a TAG bloating the pot preflop alows villian to play perfectly either folding pre or stacking us when he his his set. I like this more agianst a LP or LAG player.

As for the hand I think pre and flop are good I dont see why you want to pot commit your self by rasing more on the flop? What hands is he 4/bet pushing that we realy want to call? AT-AKc is the best case and thats not all that great.

[Prodigy54321]

you guys are confusing the hell out of me with preflop raise suggestions...

this 3bet is my standard 3bet..I suppose I could raise more with AA and KK and what not, but I can't be doing that with every 3bet..I would think that people would pretty easily get the picture that a smallish 3bet is just restealing while a big 3bet means a monster...

as for raising less...I can't see why I would want to 3bet to give the original raiser better than 2:1

[relativity_x]

prodigy, your 3bet is fine.

however, your flop raise is not.

pot is roughly 12 and you bet 15, villain has to call 10 into a 27 pot.

That's why I said I would raise flop to 22, which would give villain 34/17 almost 2:1.