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LastLife
07-16-2007, 04:34 AM
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($43.15)
SB ($40.45)
Hero ($27.05)
UTG ($30)
MP ($40.75)
CO ($15.15)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls $0.25, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($1) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $1</font>, Hero calls $1, UTG folds, CO calls $1.

Turn: ($4) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $3.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $10</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $13.9 (All-In)</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $42.7 (All-In)</font>, Hero ???

Waingro
07-16-2007, 04:43 AM
I think the flop is a real easy fold.

LastLife
07-16-2007, 04:52 AM
getting 2-1 for a flush draw?

K䲰䮥n
07-16-2007, 05:05 AM
I'd rather raise this flop if I'm going to play this hand.

Waingro
07-16-2007, 08:35 AM
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getting 2-1 for a flush draw?

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1. There are players acting behind you. You are not going to see a turn every time.
2. 5-way, odds are that villain is going to put you on a fd when you call = no implied odds.
3. 5-way, it is more likely there is a bigger fd out there.
4. You are not going to win every time you hit. Your opponents will often have re-draws.

All in all I think getting 2-1 on your money for your fd is lighting money on fire, unless you know that villain is a pay off wizard or tilting or something. Generally calling without odds on non-nut draws is not a winning strategy.

Waingro
07-16-2007, 08:37 AM
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I'd rather raise this flop if I'm going to play this hand.

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I agree

Fold&gt;raise&gt;call

paulnic
07-16-2007, 08:49 AM
i think this is a fold on the turn. after a raise reraise and a shove i very much doubt your 4 high flush is ahead... also as said im not sure the call on the flop is the best... yes u may get the correct odds if both players behind u call but what if one of them raises??? i fold the flop here unless im against some very passive callling station type players

Gullanian
07-16-2007, 08:51 AM
EASY flop call. If someone behind you raises you get to see if anyone calls before you commit. I disagree with raising flop, it's completely unnecessary. Anyway I just call this on the turn.