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wacki
02-24-2006, 04:47 AM
Just curious if anyone knows how they can prove the temps were so high.


http://www.livescience.com/environment/060217_hot_tub.html



Hot tub sales would have been dismal back in the dinosaur era, when the steaming ocean provided a free alternative.

In fact, in some places it was too hot to dip a toe.

A new study of ancient sediments and fossils indicates tropical Atlantic water ranged from 91 to 107 degrees Fahrenheit between 100 million and 84 million years ago. The same region today is typically 75 to 82 degrees.

Hot tubs get very uncomfortable for most people above about 104 degrees.

"These temperatures are off the charts from what we've seen before," said Karen Bice, a paleoclimatologist at Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution.

The atmosphere had more heat-trapping carbon dioxide back then.

Bice reported the findings today at the annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) in St. Louis. The work will be detailed in the journal Paleoceanography.

Scientists don't know what might have caused ocean temperatures to get so high. Climate models that consider increases in carbon dioxide can't account for it, Bice said.

Max Weinberg
02-24-2006, 06:01 AM
Good thing I'm home-schooled so I know the answer.

The world didn't exist 100mya, so this "science" was made up by racists and abortion-murderers...

Hobbs.
02-24-2006, 07:00 AM
Science 8 September 2000:
Vol. 289. no. 5485, pp. 1698 - 1699
DOI: 10.1126/science.289.5485.1698

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Perspectives
PALEOCLIMATE:
Taking the Temperature of Past Ocean Surfaces
Dirk Nürnberg*

Climate can vary substantially over millennial time scales; the most prominent examples are the ice ages that have periodically occurred over the past several hundred thousand years. Variations in the heat exchange through the surface layer of the ocean play a key role in these climatic changes. Reliable sea surface temperatures (SST) are therefore crucial to the reconstruction and modeling of past oceanic salinity and density, water column stratification, thermohaline circulation, and ice volume. Particular emphasis has been placed on obtaining records of SSTs during the last ice age because the climatic scenario during the Last Glacial Maximum is often used to test computer models designed to predict forthcoming climatic changes.

On page 1719 of this issue, Lea et al. (1) take a convincing step not only toward accurate SST reconstructions but also toward constraining the timing of surface ocean warming with respect to continental ice sheet melting during deglaciations and deciphering changes in continental ice volume. This is important because in order to understand the causal chains that trigger climate change, leads and lags between different ocean and climate proxies need to be defined. Environmental parameters that lead over others and form "the head of the queue" are likely candidates for initiating and changing climate.

In the late 1970s to early 1980s, the Climate/Long-Range Investigation, Mapping, and Prediction Project (CLIMAP) (2) generated the first global SST reconstruction for the Last Glacial Maximum on the basis of the statistical evaluation of changes in microplankton assemblages. The project initiated intense paleoclimate research based on deep-sea sedimentary records. Today, the CLIMAP reconstructions still serve as foundations for paleoclimate research, but many of its results remain controversial, for example, regarding the extent of sea ice in high latitudes or the relative change in tropical SSTs.

Since CLIMAP, a whole range of approaches for reconstructing SSTs have been developed. Ice core records from equatorial mountains and records of glacial snow line depression suggest that terrestrial temperatures during the Last Glacial Maximum were cooler than during the Holocene by as much as about 5ºC. Noble gas measurements in groundwater also initially implied a 5ºC glacial temperature drop, although revision of the data led to only a 1.9º to 2.5ºC temperature difference. Data from alkenones (a group of temperature-sensitive lipids found in sediments that are used to reconstruct the paleoenvironment) provide evidence for a 2º to 4ºC temperature decline of tropical surface waters. A large tropical SST reduction of around 4º to 5ºC is also supported by coral records and, recently, by temperature reconstructions based on planktonic oxygen isotope (d18O) records.

The inconsistencies between the temperature reconstructions mainly result from the heterogeneity of the applied geochemical and micropaleontological methods, which all rely on different assumptions, are used on different types of samples, and have different limitations. For example, the reconstruction of ocean temperatures from stable oxygen isotope ratios (d18O) from calcitic microfossil shells is complicated by the fact that the d18O is affected not only by the temperature but also by global ice volume change and evaporation/precipitation effects.

Lea et al. (1) apply the relatively new method of Mg/Ca paleothermometry to planktonic protozoans (foraminifera) and measure the stable oxygen isotope ratios (d18O) of the same specimens. Mg/Ca paleothermometry is based on the temperature dependence of the substitution of magnesium into calcium lattice sites. It has long been known that tropical calcitic shells are generally more enriched in magnesium than subpolar shells, but the well-defined exponential dependence of the Mg/Ca ratio on temperature within single planktonic foraminiferal species only became clear from systematic core-top investigations covering a wide latitudinal range (3, 4) and from species-related cultivating experiments (5, 6).

These findings were an exciting step toward a new paleoceanographic tool but were, nevertheless, viewed critically. Indeed, factors other than temperature also affect the amount of magnesium incorporated during foraminiferal shell formation. Interspecies and ontogenetic variations may affect Mg/Ca ratios. Preferential removal of relatively soluble magnesium-enriched calcitic parts clearly alters the Mg/Ca ratios (7), although recent studies found that during dissolution, Mg/Ca and d18O of planktonic foraminiferal shells change proportionally, thus preserving their relation with temperature (8). Small salinity variations exert a small, positively correlated influence on the Mg/Ca ratios. Finally, cultivating experiments suggest an inverse relation between Mg uptake and pH, with higher Mg/Ca appearing at lower pH. A postulated increase of 1 salinity unit and 0.2 pH units in the glacial surface ocean (9) would therefore have no substantial influence on Mg/Ca because the effects of salinity and pH on Mg/Ca would cancel each other.

Since the initial studies, the Mg/Ca paleothermometer has been further calibrated (6, 10, 11), compared with other temperature proxies (12), and validated in a number of oceanographic settings (10, 12, 13). The Mg/Ca paleothermometer provides an accuracy of about ±0.5ºC and undoubtedly offers unique advantages compared with other SST proxies. Most importantly, as exploited by Lea et al. (1), Mg/Ca is measured on the same biotic carrier as d18O, thereby avoiding the seasonality and/or habitat effects that occur when proxy data from different faunal groups are used (see the figure). The magnitude and timing of SST and d18O changes can thus be separated, and the residual d18O record can be extracted by removing the temperature effect, resulting in a d18O record of past ocean surface water. The latter is largely a function of the changes in volume of ice stored in continental ice sheets and salinity change.

Figure 1
A glimpse into the past. Measuring both stable oxygen isotopes (d18O) and Mg/Ca within planktonic foraminifera (top) allows reliable SSTs to be determined and temporal changes in global ice volume to be assessed (bottom). The foraminiferal d18O signal partly reflects changes in ice volume, because water evaporated from the ocean surface and stored in ice sheets is enriched in 16O, thereby changing the ratio between 18O and 16O to heavier values. By independently determining SSTs from Mg/Ca, the large temperature effect on d18O can be removed, providing the residual d18O signal, which is a direct estimate of the volume of ice stored in continental ice sheets. Comparison of Mg/Ca and d18O data from the same biotic carrier shows that ocean surface warming generally precedes the decay of continental ice sheets, suggesting that the surface ocean plays an important role in forcing climate change. Data from or based on (12). Equation from (15). PDB, pee dee belemnite; SMOW, standard mean ocean water; 0/00, per mil.

Lea et al. (1) demonstrate that the surface equatorial Pacific cooled by 2.9 ± 0.4ºC during the last glacial and that the maximum cooling during the past 450,000 years was 4ºC. During this time, tropical SST cooling was synchronous to temperature changes in the Antarctic atmosphere, as revealed by the Vostok deuterium record. The authors also find that the tropical ocean surface waters generally warmed about 3000 to 5000 years before continental ice sheet melting. These observations lead the authors to emphasize the tropical Pacific's role in forcing climate change. Although local hydrological influences cannot be ruled out, the extracted record of the d18O of seawater is interpreted to be due to changes in global ice volume, and this interpretation is supported by the convincing match between the seawater d18O and past sea-level fluctuations.

Despite the successes in establishing Mg/Ca paleothermometry as a tool for reconstructing past ocean temperatures, particularly Lea et al.'s stimulating work, methodological details still need to be defined, and the method must be used in conjunction with other established or new SST proxies. Foraminiferal calcium isotope measurements (14), for example, will most certainly contribute valuable new insights (15).

References and Notes

1. D. W. Lea, D. K. Pak, H. J. Spero, Science 289, 1719 (2000).
2. CLIMAP Project Members, Geol. Soc. Am. Map Chart Ser. MC-36, 1 (1981).
3. D. Nürnberg, J. Foraminifer. Res. 25, 350 (1995).
4. H. Elderfield, R. Rickaby, M. Chapman, M. Greaves, paper presented at the 6th International Conference on Paleoceanology (ICP VI), Lisbon, Portugal, 23 to 28 August 1998.
5. D. Nürnberg, J. Bijma, C. Hemleben, Geochim. Cosmochim. Acta 60, 803 (1996) [GEOREF].
6. D. W. Lea, T. A. Mashiotta, H. J. Spero, Geochim. Cosmochim. Acta 63, 2369 (1999) [GEOREF].
7. S. J. Brown and H. Elderfield, Paleoceanography 11, 543 (1998).
8. Y. Rosenthal et al., Paleoceanography 15, 135 (2000).
9. A. Sanyal et al., Paleoceanography 11, 513 (1996).
10. T. A. Mashiotta, D. W. Lea, H. J. Spero, Earth Planet. Sci. Lett. 170, 417 (1999) [GEOREF].
11. H. Elderfield and G. Gansen, Nature 405, 442 (2000).
12. D. Nürnberg, A. Müller, R. R. Schneider, Paleoceanography 15, 124 (2000).
13. D. W. Hastings, A. D. Russell, S. R. Emerson, Paleoceanography 13, 161 (1998) [GEOREF].
14. T. F. Nägler, A. Eisenhauer, A. Müller, C. Hemleben, J. Kramers, Geochem. Geophys. Geosyst., in press.
15. N. J. Shackleton, Cent. Nat. Rech. Sci. Colloq. Int. 219, 203 (1974).
16. I am grateful to R. Tiedemann, R. Zahn, and J. Schönfeld for comments

FredBoots
02-24-2006, 11:42 AM
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Good thing I'm home-schooled ...

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I shot coffee out of my nose when I read this ... good one.

Wait, you're not serious, are you?

CORed
02-24-2006, 02:18 PM
I think they might have used isotope ratios to estimate sea temperatures. If this is correct, they must have had some wicked hurricaines.

PoBoy321
02-24-2006, 06:28 PM
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Good thing I'm home-schooled so I know the answer.

The world didn't exist 100mya, so this "science" was made up by racists and abortion-murderers...

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You forgot Jews and homosexuals.

mostsmooth
02-24-2006, 11:15 PM
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Just curious if anyone knows how they can prove the temps were so high.

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from the study of ancient sediments and fossils