Why give Harrah's the action?

[ihavetoomanysns]

We all know the many, many ways Harrah's has made a mockery of how to run the WSOP. Sadly though, as long as we continue to play and they continue to make their money, there is no real motivation for them to make things better for us.

I know it would suck, looking forward to playing in the series for months, only to decide not to because Harrah's doesn't deserve the action. But if a majority of players did it they would get the message. I didn't play this year. I went on June 2nd, was disgusted, and never returned. Hopefully more will do the same next year if many substantial changes are not made.

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[THAY3R]

I'm a big fan of making money for starters.

[ihavetoomanysns]

I'm a big fan of not getting treated like [censored] where I play, and still making money (not for starters?)

[SuperUberBob]

The fields are too juicy. The only way I think the WSOP can fail is if the fish stop going to tournaments.

[Bonified]

As people are saying, the games were SO SOFT.

And you know what, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say they didn't do that bad a job. A lot of what happened they either fixed quickly or wasn't their fault (players advisory committee). Also, the worst things that happen are splashed all over the internet within hours, but while these incidents are happening to individuals, up to 3000 players are playing poker without hassle. The poker room rates at the Rio and Caesar's were really cheap too.

I think they should take responsibility for the tent situation and the lines in the first couple of days, it wasn't perfect, but I was expecting continual SNAFUs on a daily basis and that wasn't happening.

[SenatorKevin]

Given how popular the Venetian Deep Stack tourney was during this year's WSOP, I'd have to assume this was a wakeup call to Harrahs. The venetian tourney had more player and I believe significantly lower juice. (Not to be confused with the CEO Poker tourney there)

[Spook]

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The venetian tourney had more player a

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Yeah, no. They did not. They did have between 300-600 per day, and the number did grow as the event went on. But that is no where near the 1500-3000 that some of the NLH WSOP events had.

[doublejoker]

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As people are saying, the games were SO SOFT.

And you know what, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say they didn't do that bad a job. A lot of what happened they either fixed quickly or wasn't their fault (players advisory committee). Also, the worst things that happen are splashed all over the internet within hours, but while these incidents are happening to individuals, up to 3000 players are playing poker without hassle. The poker room rates at the Rio and Caesar's were really cheap too.

I think they should take responsibility for the tent situation and the lines in the first couple of days, it wasn't perfect, but I was expecting continual SNAFUs on a daily basis and that wasn't happening.

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They were aware of the horrible structures in the limit tournaments and refused to address the problem.....

[SenatorKevin]

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The venetian tourney had more player a

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Yeah, no. They did not. They did have between 300-600 per day, and the number did grow as the event went on. But that is no where near the 1500-3000 that some of the NLH WSOP events had.

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Whoops, typo on my part. I meant to say that the Venetian Tourney had more "play" and not "players". You are right about the size of the fields though.

[grdred944]

This has been addressed it what has to seem like 50 thread since the series started. There are too many fish and too many people who don't mind taking an anal-probe from Harrah's to ever believe any boycott of the WSOP will ever happen.

The script will run its course again. Negreanu and others on the so-called players advisory board will look like super guys by telling us they are working with Harrah's to make big changes, the tournament staff will tell us they are listening to our concerns, yet next year will roll around and nothing will really change.

Get used to it. Even if Harrah's sells the series, as has been reported as possible, the same mindset will run it.

Think of how even though the U.S. President may flip flop between parties every four or eight years, the same civil servants actually run the show. Same thing here.

[CrazyJoe113]

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They were aware of the horrible structures in the limit tournaments and refused to address the problem.....

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They cant change structures after they have already been posted and people have registered. This falls into the category of "WTF were the Players Advisory Council doing?" They had the structures well in advance and nobody did dick about it.

[DDH]

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They were aware of the horrible structures in the limit tournaments and refused to address the problem.....

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They cant change structures after they have already been posted and people have registered. This falls into the category of "WTF were the Players Advisory Council doing?" They had the structures well in advance and nobody did dick about it.

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Plus, its unfair to the people who had already played tournaments with the posted structures. No way they can change the blind structures in the middle of the Series.

[Matt Savage]

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They were aware of the horrible structures in the limit tournaments and refused to address the problem.....

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They cant change structures after they have already been posted and people have registered. This falls into the category of "WTF were the Players Advisory Council doing?" They had the structures well in advance and nobody did dick about it.

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Plus, its unfair to the people who had already played tournaments with the posted structures. No way they can change the blind structures in the middle of the Series.

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This is the argument I totally disagree with, WSOP management has the right to change the events at any time in the best interest of it's tournaments or players and could have done that here. Having spoken to Jack Effel he already has the right idea for next year and will make the changes to the structures. As long as the blinds were posted in advance of the start of the tournament no one could have a beef and it could have been done.

The chips colors IMO are the biggest problem of all and if more pros were in the tournament late you would have really heard a lot of well deserved bitching. I expect that they will fix that also next year.

Matt Savage

[Ghazban]

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The chips colors IMO are the biggest problem of all and if more pros were in the tournament late you would have really heard a lot of well deserved bitching. I expect that they will fix that also next year.

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I have a very reliable source that tells me every chip above 1K next year will be a slight variation on the color green. Since red-green color blindness is the most common type, this will maximize the number of people that are totally screwed.

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