Another Harrah's Screw Up

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from pokernews.com

Scotty Nguyen Color Blind?
Scotty Nguyen had a problem with putting the wrong color chip out for his blig blind. There are three denominations of chips and they're all a varation of orange. The 5,000 chips are orange or tangerine as one staff member called it. The 25,000 chips are peach-colored. The 50,000 are salmon-colored.

Depending on the lighting in the Amazon Ballroom and underneath the lights of the ESPN feature table, both players and dealers are having a difficult time figuring out what chips are in play. As one player said, he had to physically look at the numbers on the chips to determine what he's betting.

Since all the chips are very similar to each other, action has slowed down while players make extra precautions before betting. Dealers are also having a tougher time counting down stacks and bets.


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[soneill34]

Just what they need. What's going to be the slowest day of the entire ME is going to have another hour or two added onto it cause of the [censored] chip colors.

[sekrah]

There is not a single brain on the tournament committee. Nobody thought of mixing up the different shades for different stages of the tournament?

[sketchy1]

this really should be considered a MASSIVE screwup because this has been known for a while. these chips were used for previous events too.

[Turn Prophet]

I have no idea what idiot thought it would be a good idea to have the 3 highest denomination chips so close in color.

Same problem last year with the 5000's and 25000's, but at least the black 10000's were easy to tell apart and separate the two, and the green 100000's were also easy to identify. This year, someone was clearly brain dead.

Hopefully they'll get new chips next year, but I think it may become industry standards for the major casinos to update tourney chips almost every year because of volume and to prevent pocketing.

[BenTurpen]

The three colors in play are red/orange, peach, and pink, LOL. That's just classic.

[Equal]

Seems obvious that you would have a cycle of distinct colours that would only be duplicated once the previous chip of a smaller denomination gets coloured-out of the tourney.

Like its fine for the 100 chips and 25k chips to be the same colour since the 100 chips get taken out of play before the 25k chips come into play.

[Paradroid]

Just wait until the 100K comes into play. It's lavender, making four denominations very similar in colour.

[jogsxyz]

Do it like in Europe. Use placards for 100K and up.

[PLO8FaceKilla]

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Seems obvious that you would have a cycle of distinct colours that would only be duplicated once the previous chip of a smaller denomination gets coloured-out of the tourney.

Like its fine for the 100 chips and 25k chips to be the same colour since the 100 chips get taken out of play before the 25k chips come into play.

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wow no way this would happen.

it would make way too much sense.

[Dunkman]

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Just wait until the 100K comes into play. It's lavender, making four denominations very similar in colour.

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Did they have 12 year old girls design the chips this year?

[Kneel B4 Zod]

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Do it like in Europe. Use placards for 100K and up.

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yes but what colors should they be??? this is the difficult question here.

[BiNgOsHaDo]

Seems like the easiest thing they could have done is replace the $25,000 chips with the green $25 chips, instead of having this debacle play out. Maybe too risky though, because I imagine there are a few $25 chips that ended up in peoples pockets from earlier events.

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Seems like the easiest thing they could have done is replace the $25,000 chips with the green $25 chips, instead of having this debacle play out. Maybe too risky though, because I imagine there are a few $25 chips that ended up in peoples pockets from earlier events.

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Please to be deleting your post right now, because if someone from Harrah's read this suggestion, it will surely be implemented immediately.

[soneill34]

Are the 100k chips the orange on orange ones?

[MikeRice]

I couldn't tell the difference between the 5K and 25K chips on the WSOP live broadcasts. The dark lighting made it almost impossible I just knew it was always the shorter stacks on top for most players. When I saw the picture on pokernews of the stack with the 3 similar colors immediately I thought what brain dead person would approve or even think of something like this. Probably the same guy who thought those peak cards were great.

You just know someone if going to get knocked out by opening 25x the blind by accident and running into AA.

[jogsxyz]

Look at his shades. No wonder he can't tell one orange from another orange. How many of the other 35 players started with dark shades?

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How much?

[grdred944]

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Look at his shades. No wonder he can't tell one orange from another orange. How many of the other 35 players started with dark shades?

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Between his shades and the view through the bottom of a Michelob Ultra bottle I can see how Scotty would be confused.

[MrTimCaum]

i really hope someone lost their job over this. unreal, especially since people were complaining about this at the start of the series.

[Marduk]

[censored], and i thought the 5ks and 25ks from last year were bad.

[JayA]

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Just wait until the 100K comes into play. It's lavender, making four denominations very similar in colour.

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Ok, I may be totally wrong here, but...how are lavender and peach/orange similar?

[True North]

ESPN is pissed about this as well. It would be nice for them to use their clout to insist on approval of the chip designs in advance for next year.

[pineapple888]

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Just wait until the 100K comes into play. It's lavender, making four denominations very similar in colour.

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Ok, I may be totally wrong here, but...how are lavender and peach/orange similar?

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We'll have to wait and see, but a pale lavender will be yet another low-contrast pastel. Everyone will hate it. Deep primary and secondary colors would be better choices.

[Ace-Ex]

I remember the good old days when they made chips Black, Green and Red.... Seems they could recycle colors, but I guess they could be concerned about confusion in that scenario as well.

Maybe the $500,000 chip can be Mauve.

[DrewDevil]

Does anyone have any suggestions for how they should color the chips?

[Silent A]

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We'll have to wait and see, but a pale lavender will be yet another low-contrast pastel. Everyone will hate it. Deep primary and secondary colors would be better choices.

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I'm starting to wonder if they brought in some kind of a color expert who decided to use some kind of color cheme: green felt, orange chips, violet (lavender?) accent. Interestingly, these three colors are equally spaced around the color wheel, which is called a "triad" in color scheme jargon. Here's a quote from the paint.org website:

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By combining any three colors equal distance apart on the color wheel (or shades of those colors) a triad color scheme will be the result. A combination of purple, orange and green may sound outlandish, but subtle shades of those colors used in varying amounts can be an attractive scheme.

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Amazing what you can find with Google.

The concept that having the chip colors "clash" might have very real practical uses seems to have been lost on whoever is responsible for this.

I'm dying to see the lavender chip.

For those of you who are a color ignorant as me, <font color="lavender">THIS IS LAVENDER</font>.

Man, that's hard to see on a white background.

[drewjustdrew]

25,100,500,1000,5000,10000,25000,50000, 100000 (or whatever)

Green, Black, Purple, orange, yellow/gold, white, red, blue, gray

This is not rocket science. Chip colors...geez! Who give a crap what the scheme is as long as it is easy to follow. They will not add/lose one entrant, or any TV marketshare based on chip color.

[Silent A]

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This is not rocket science. Chip colors...geez! Who give a crap what the scheme is as long as it is easy to follow. They will not add/lose one entrant, or any TV marketshare based on chip color.

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Never underestimate the ability of clueless decision makers to make clueless decisions.

It's easy to imagine some higher up deciding that the WSOP needed a sense of style and this was the result.

[youtalkfunny]

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25,100,500,1000,5000,10000,25000,50000, 100000 (or whatever)

Green, Black, Purple, orange, yellow/gold, white, red, blue, gray

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I can't wait for those late rounds, when the red, white, and blue chips are in play.

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[THEOSU]

green for quarter and black with white for hundred is pretty standard.

pink for 500 and yellow for 1000 has worked out pretty well. five thousand being like a red or a peach or a lavender works, and maybe a blue for 10k works well, paritcularly since they'll be introduced after the quarters have been colored up, since blue and green can be difficult to distinguish to some. if you don't want a 10k, then use blue for the 25k. in that instance, then you don't need to introduce another chip till 100k, and you can have that be something like white. when the play gets shorthanded another color up to 500k can take place with gold chips - that way you don't have one player's chip stack taking up 20% of the table like gold's did last year when they never got past the salmons.

this all seems very easy.

[SmokeyRidesAgain]

I don't understand how they could be so stupid.. it's not even like it's stupidity of forgetting something or being negligent, or not thinking it was going to be hot in summer, which is forgivable in some way.. they actively chose those colours.. what the [censored]?

[NewTeaBag]

I think yall are neglecting the OBV reason for the color scheme.

Chip wharehouse (or wherever they got the chips from) OBV had a sale on pastels and some Harrah's jobsworth saved them $0.01/chip thus earning himself a promotion for squeezing yet another few $$ out of the event.