View Full Version : What do we put villain on here?
Fiksdal
07-12-2007, 09:51 AM
Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh))
SB: $21.34
Hero (BB): $58.84
UTG: $149.88
MP: $15.30
CO: $21.86
BTN: $67.83
Reads: <font color="blue">Villain: 55/9/1.13 over 45
Hero: 25/22/18</font>
Preflop: Hero is dealt 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif (6 Players)
2 folds, CO calls $0.50, BTN folds, SB calls $0.25, Hero checks
Flop: ($1.50) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif 5/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $1.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3.40</font>, CO folds, SB calls $2.40
Turn: ($8.30) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $4.00</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $8.00</font>
Villain has 8.5ish behind after min-raising.
What is his range? How should hero respond?
Nogatsira
07-12-2007, 09:54 AM
With 55 vpip his range is in "33+,A2s+,K2s+,Q2s+,J3s+,T5s+,95s+,85s+,75s+,65s,A2 o+,K4o+,Q6o+,J7o+,T7o+,98o,87o" looking at pokerstove.
His AF is rather small, so his turn reraise really worries me.
I think this is a fold, pay some attention to him and try to figure out what his min-reraise means.
Fiksdal
07-12-2007, 09:59 AM
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33+,A2s+,K2s+,Q2s+,J3s+,T5s+,95s+,85s+,75s+,65s,A2 o+,K4o+,Q6o+,J7o+,T7o+,98o,87o
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Let me elaborate, I mean his range after he CRd turn.
Nogatsira
07-12-2007, 10:06 AM
Yeah I know but I showed the preflop range to show that he can be playing ATC.
You know the rest of his money is going in on the river, and a 4 high flush is not something you really want to call off a reraise with imho.
beavens
07-12-2007, 10:11 AM
villain is a shorty and this is a limped pot.
i'd expect to see 2pr/straight/naked heart here.
i'm pushing.
relativity_x
07-12-2007, 10:15 AM
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villain is a shorty and this is a limped pot.
i'd expect to see 2pr/straight/naked heart here.
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you save yourself a lot of trouble by betting 6 on the turn. 4 looks weak, so a raise is possible with a lot of hands to see if you have the goods.
push is standard against shorty.
If you bet 6 and a similar stack min-raises, easy fold.
edit: didn't notice how short he was.
corsakh
07-12-2007, 10:15 AM
Insta all in.
TheRenaissance
07-12-2007, 10:31 AM
Worrying about a higher flush in this particular spot is a leak.
It shouldnt cross your mind at all.
Running bad?
relativity_x
07-12-2007, 10:34 AM
no, I Just don't like a min rr from some donk that's not aggressive when I'm showing strength. Notice when I said a minraise to a 6 dollar bet and also a similar stack.
Nogatsira
07-12-2007, 10:35 AM
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Worrying about a higher flush in this particular spot is a leak.
It shouldnt cross your mind at all.
Running bad?
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I always worry about that /images/graemlins/frown.gif
IronOsprey
07-12-2007, 10:39 AM
Keep in mind, the villain probably doesn't put YOU on a flush with your flop raise and weak turn bet (if he's thinking about it at all). Since his stack is short it's not a huge mistake to be playing this hand for ~40 bb. Push.
Fiksdal
07-12-2007, 10:42 AM
Alright.. thanks guys.
The reason I posted this is because as I was shoving the turn here, I was saying to myself that I think this is the wrong move, but yet I do it cuz zomg I have a flush.
I was innitially gonna post this in the brew cuz results are kinda funny. I shove and villain folds, keeping his $8.5. Now that I did not expect. He must have been on a move I guess. lol.
corsakh
07-12-2007, 10:44 AM
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Alright.. thanks guys.
The reason I posted this is because as I was shoving the turn here, I was saying to myself that I think this is the wrong move, but yet I do it cuz zomg I have a flush.
I was innitially gonna post this in the brew cuz results are kinda funny. I shove and villain folds, keeping his $8.5. Now that I did not expect. He must have been on a move I guess. lol.
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Its fairly common actually /images/graemlins/laugh.gif He might even have a heart just wasnt not ready to loose his stack just yet.
Sweir
07-12-2007, 11:15 AM
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You know the rest of his money is going in on the river, and a 4 high flush is not something you really want to call off a reraise with imho.
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huh?????
I get it in here too.
TheRenaissance
07-12-2007, 11:16 AM
Fiksdal,
How the hell do you get an AF of 18?
All,
Note that villain's AF can be misleading - it has to be correlated with VPIP.
He is just as aggressive as a 15/10/2 (actually that is a wild guesstimate, but you see what I am getting at).
Capone
07-12-2007, 11:21 AM
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Worrying about a higher flush in this particular spot is a leak.
It shouldnt cross your mind at all.
Running bad?
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yeah i agree, if you are going to worry about that when you make your hand, then dont play low suited connecters at all. In this spot, get it in.
Fiksdal
07-12-2007, 01:11 PM
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How the hell do you get an AF of 18?
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Just variance over a small sample. Had a hot run. Got hit with the deck for a while. Hit flops and bet multiple streets. I didn't get a lot of chances to check. The times I missed I often took it down and there was no turn to check.
DaycareInferno
07-12-2007, 01:26 PM
i don't understand why people let min raises get in their head so much. usually when someone min raises at these levels, its not because they're trying to get value on a hand that has you crushed, its because they aren't experienced enough to understand why making a real raise is almost always the better choice.
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