Got barred from the Rio!!!!! lol harraments

[npknhldr]

I'm a soft spoken mid-stakes grinder (limit/NL). I'm playing 2/5. Missisippi straddle, i limp in mp w/ JTs. 5 to flop of Q /images/graemlins/spade.gif8 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif7 /images/graemlins/spade.gif.

Checks to me, with only the straddle left to act. I bet 45 into 50. Straddle (who is a total stuck donk) goes all-in for 260. BB in the hand relunctantly calls all-in for 205. Folds to me, closing action, with 215 to call.

Now, I'm not too concerned with the donk, but the BB is an old guy who seems tight. So I am naturally concerned about the nut flush draw (but I still have a gut-shot, and a pair draw maybe). So I think for a minute, at which point I ask the dealer (since I am closing the action) if i could turn my hand face-up. Dealer calls floor, who agrees. I turn up a J /images/graemlins/spade.gifT /images/graemlins/spade.gif, for a gut-shot and flush draw. The all-in player calls a clock (fine).

Suddenly, the floor starts counting from 10...(9,8,7). I don't know what to do. I ask the floor if i have a minute from when the clock is called. He keeps counting down to zero, and my hand is dead.

I'm steamed, I say that's a "bull-****" ruling, and I'm cashing out". I ask floor why he didn't give me a full minute, and he says he did (though 8 people at the table agree that he didn't).

After I cash out, I approach the floor, and ask for his name so I can file a complaint (if I see fit). His supervisor is standing next to him (great), so I explain camly that I thought I was treated unfairly with the clock (should've announced 1min, 30 sec. etc.) and then floor asks the supervisor if he gave me a 1:10. Floor says he did, so supervisor says "end of story."

I am a law student, and have a very quiet personality. So I respond that "I think that was a terrible ruling, and you've just lost yourself a customer." To which the supervisor replies, "security." Now the security guy comes, and tells me to leave. I respond that I am leaving and that I shouldn't be treated in this way, as I was calm and never once directed profanity towards a Harrah's employee nor raised my voice to them. The supervisor then said I was barred for 24 hrs, and unless I left in 10s I would be barred from all Harrah's properties forever. He started counting, with the security guard beside him "10, 9, 8...."

I left, without another word.

I /images/graemlins/heart.gif Harrah's.

Please all poker players, I've paid the juice from 2 WSOP events, and numerous cash games to Harrah's, please join me in a boycott of their cash games at the Rio (which were rather tight and aggressive compared to the strip). Let's for once say that enough is enough, I for one have. I hope the numerous instances of atrocious customer service is enough for them to actually lose customers (the only way they [might] notice).

(edit: this happened about an hour or two ago)

[DonovanMD]

Who's really going to help you boycott Rio cash games? Who would even notice if people did? Who cares about that or this post?

Lesson learned: dont be a donk and waste time like you're at the ME final table. If you cant make a decision in less than 15 seconds you suck. Period.

[npknhldr]

I'm a mslhe player. I don't tank for several minutes. I literally got 20 secs. from floor. That is all.

btw. They couldn't even fill one 10/20 Lhe table, plus they had open seating at 5/10 and 2/5 NL all day, so the boycott is unnecessary, and besides the point.

The point is that Harrahs sucks, their floor's suck, and their customer service is atrocious.

I might go rail the ME tom., but i won't play cash games there anymore (is the point).

[*TT*]

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please join me in a boycott of their cash games at the Rio

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if you cant even figure out which forum your supposed to post this story in, then how am I supposed to trust your story? (moved from B&M to WSOP/Tourny forum).

I think you need to take a day off, calm down, and get over it. Your making a mountain out of a molehill, its not like we haven't heard about bad decisions at the WSOP yet - you knew what you were getting into when you decided to play there today. Take a break, breathe, and go play somewhere else.

[frommagio]

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I'm a soft spoken mid-stakes grinder (limit/NL). I'm playing 2/5. Missisippi straddle, i limp in mp w/ JTs. 5 to flop of Q /images/graemlins/spade.gif8 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif7 /images/graemlins/spade.gif.

Checks to me, with only the straddle left to act. I bet 45 into 50. Straddle (who is a total stuck donk) goes all-in for 260. BB in the hand relunctantly calls all-in for 205. Folds to me, closing action, with 215 to call.

Now, I'm not too concerned with the donk, but the BB is an old guy who seems tight. So I am naturally concerned about the nut flush draw (but I still have a gut-shot, and a pair draw maybe). So I think for a minute, at which point I ask the dealer (since I am closing the action) if i could turn my hand face-up. Dealer calls floor, who agrees. I turn up a J /images/graemlins/spade.gifT /images/graemlins/spade.gif, for a gut-shot and flush draw. The all-in player calls a clock (fine).

Suddenly, the floor starts counting from 10...(9,8,7). I don't know what to do. I ask the floor if i have a minute from when the clock is called. He keeps counting down to zero, and my hand is dead.

I'm steamed, I say that's a "bull-****" ruling, and I'm cashing out". I ask floor why he didn't give me a full minute, and he says he did (though 8 people at the table agree that he didn't).

After I cash out, I approach the floor, and ask for his name so I can file a complaint (if I see fit). His supervisor is standing next to him (great), so I explain camly that I thought I was treated unfairly with the clock (should've announced 1min, 30 sec. etc.) and then floor asks the supervisor if he gave me a 1:10. Floor says he did, so supervisor says "end of story."

I am a law student, and have a very quiet personality. So I respond that "I think that was a terrible ruling, and you've just lost yourself a customer." To which the supervisor replies, "security." Now the security guy comes, and tells me to leave. I respond that I am leaving and that I shouldn't be treated in this way, as I was calm and never once directed profanity towards a Harrah's employee nor raised my voice to them. The supervisor then said I was barred for 24 hrs, and unless I left in 10s I would be barred from all Harrah's properties forever. He started counting, with the security guard beside him "10, 9, 8...."

I left, without another word.

I /images/graemlins/heart.gif Harrah's.

Please all poker players, I've paid the juice from 2 WSOP events, and numerous cash games to Harrah's, please join me in a boycott of their cash games at the Rio (which were rather tight and aggressive compared to the strip). Let's for once say that enough is enough, I for one have. I hope the numerous instances of atrocious customer service is enough for them to actually lose customers (the only way they [might] notice).

(edit: this happened about an hour or two ago)

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As best as I can tell, your own story seems to suggest about 2-3 minutes minimum, most likely 3 or more. There's the initial minute of deep thought, the discussion, the time to summon the floor and have him come over, the conversation and the ruling, the time to ham it up with the face up cards while the last minute starts and runs, and then, eventually, the final 10 second countdown. The other players must have been really annoyed.

It sounds to me like a fair ruling, and a good one - and everybody else was probably relieved to finally get another hand in after your little intermission.

You're playing in a poker room, not auditioning for your first film role. The floor did his job: he's responsible for ensuring that the games run, not for providing a public platform for you to fulfill your Hollywood fantasy.

Finally, one really has to wonder whether a disinterested observer would agree that you handled yourself quietly and respectfully leading up to your final conversation before being asked to leave. From what I've seen, it's not easy for a player to be booted; you not only need to be obnoxious, but you need to be persistent about it.

The question is, will you learn the right lessons after you sleep on it for a night?

[Cornell Fiji]

You should have snap called and none of this would have happened.

[Spook]

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if you cant even figure out which forum your supposed to post this story in, then how am I supposed to trust your story? (moved from B&M to WSOP/Tourny forum).


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I respectfully disagree. This has very little to do with WSOP or the Tournament Circuit and should be moved back to Brick and Mortar.

Now can the OP contact gaming control and have them run a clock on the floor persons count down?

[Rekrul]

any little nit who has to think about making that call should be barred from life

[FortWorthJim]

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any little nit who has to think about making that call should be barred from life

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Agreed.

[Photoc]

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After I cash out, I approach the floor, and ask for his name so I can file a complaint (if I see fit). His supervisor is standing next to him (great), so I explain camly that I thought I was treated unfairly with the clock (should've announced 1min, 30 sec. etc.) and then floor asks the supervisor if he gave me a 1:10. Floor says he did, so supervisor says "end of story."

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They don't have to give you any warning except the 10 count.

[ZBTHorton]

How in the world did you need ANY time to make this call?

[willie]

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You should have snap called and none of this would have happened.

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seriously, what is there to think about here.

insta-snap-helmuthian shove chips in middle call. come on!

[bravos1]

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You should have snap called and none of this would have happened.

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Were you also not thinking, not that you needed to in this lol hand, while you waited 2-3 minutes for the floor to come over so you could flip your friggin cards?

Why did you want to flip your cards anyways? No brainer calls do not require reads from anyone...

put your money in the pot
stop being a douche
?????
profit

[frommagio]

Hey npknhldr, I can just see you back in your room this evening, rehearsing how you played this, the role of your lifetime. At the stare-down, with J /images/graemlins/spade.gifT /images/graemlins/spade.gif face up: "Do you feel lucky? Well do you, punk?" And later, reliving the final confrontation vs. the bathroom mirror: "You talking to me? ... You talking to me?"

I totally nailed it, didn't I?

You know I did.

[MicroBob]

1. As others mentioned, isn't this like a super-easy call?

2. I disagree with TT. This is not a tourney-hand. I don't know why it so obviously belongs in the tourney-forum. If a cash-game hand at the Rio such as this happened to me I think I would post about it in B&M which is where I thought cash-game rules-questions, etc were supposed to go.
I guess the bit about him wanting to boycot the Rio might be more tourney-forum worthy. But he's still talking about the cash-games there.

[JOEL_]

The floor,after seeing his hand decided this guy needs to be taught a lesson.
End of story.

[bwiii]

Take it easy dude. You're claim isn't legitimate. Even if it was, you're just one player, in one instance, so take the ruling like a man. I don't think people will boycott the Rio for this. Let it goooo....

[CaseS87]

Why would you turn up JT of spades anyway? Try to get a read to see if jack high is good?

[TxRedMan]

This is a joke, right?

You're getting 3-1 to make this call, and you think about it, then call the floor over to see if you can expose your hand to the all-in players, then get the clock called on you, then still can't make a decision after the floor counts down to zero? And YOU get pissed about it?

Listen, kid, this is not the final table of the main event. Some people like to play poker at a reasonable pace. You had a super easy decision. You were slowing the game down in a major way.

When another player in a CASH game calls the clock on you, that means you're slowing down the game big time and pissing off the other players.

If you cant make a snap call with this hand, you probably need to move down a limit.

And remember, you're one of hundreds of thousands of players that the floor at the rio has seen this year. You're not special. And it sounds like you might play slow enough that it might be +EV to not have you in their games.

Also, when a casino employee says "security", that means it's time to STFU and leave.

[Syntec87]

lolol pwnted.

[ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S]

did you hit?

[Humble Pie]

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I've paid the juice from 2 WSOP events, and numerous cash games to Harrah's

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I don't see why you feel this entitles you to act like a douche? How long did it take you to ask the dealer and get the floor over so that you could expose your cards and 'hollywood'? You behaviour @ the table seems very annoying. Do you think your opponents have nothing better to do than to see you put on your low-limit donkey show?

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I am a law student

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TY for the credentials, when do you graduate? Seems like your in the right business to me. Hey check if David Singer can hook you up w/ a job.

[TheOneWizard]

How in the holy name of poker Gods is this not an instacall? You showed your hand to the table and proceeded ot think another 2 or 3 minutes. It almost seems like your deliberately holding up the game.

[AllinDan]

why would you lead out for pot if you aren't calling a shove?

[AMT]

1) I find it laughable that the manager asked the floor person if he gave you the full time. Like he would ever say no.
2) I find it laughable that the dealer wasn't asked or any players consulted, if the entire table was in agreement you should have gotten someone to help speak up.
3) This does belong in B&M, and its not close.
4) You should have called pretty fast after leading for pot.
5) No one can or will help you in a boycott. As others have said you just need to let it pass. If you cant handle going back, don't go back, but this thread really wont do any good for anyone. I've played at the Rio a good few times this series and I've seen terrible floor persons, terrible dealers, and horrible decisions and situations that arise from the ever continuing shitshow that the Rio staff decides to put on. It is worse than any other casino I've been at, but the fact remains that the games are good and I will continue to go back because I enjoy moniez.

[wdcbooks]

I would have been so pissed if you had taken three minutes of my life deliberating over making the world's easiest call.

[npknhldr]

yeah, i wanted to call, and prob. would have ( i almost did at "3", couldn't pull the trigger).

(dude did have nut flush draw, as I thought he might), ace high took it down (donk didn't show).

(would've spiked a pair for teh moneys).

and yes, i think this was just a small b&m anecdote (don't know why it was moved), and just to reiterate, it was no where near 3 minutes in total. And no, i'm not serious about a 2+2 boycott or any s*** like that, just wanted to vent after being treated like dogshi* by two floorpersons and a Rio security guard.

[oe39]

having read this, i'm actually more likely to play there. people who take a ton of time are annoying.

[DoubleDealDecker]

When you grow up and become a lawyer you can sue them and teach them a lesson. Go away and return to shyster school so you can learn to be an even greater detriment to society.
Just when I think Harrah's can't do anything right they pleasantly surprise me with this. The only mistake they made was not back rooming you and spanking the naughty baby.

[Uppercut]

Although I live in Chicago, I will gladly join you in your boycott of the Rio. That'll teach 'em!

[SixT4]

This should be in BBV since this thread is a major beat for the sucky OP.

[The B]

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The all-in player calls a clock (fine).

Suddenly, the floor starts counting from 10...(9,8,7). I don't know what to do. I ask the floor if i have a minute from when the clock is called. He keeps counting down to zero, and my hand is dead.


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IRONY

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The supervisor then said I was barred for 24 hrs, and unless I left in 10s I would be barred from all Harrah's properties forever. He started counting, with the security guard beside him "10, 9, 8...."

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[The B]

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Just when I think Harrah's can't do anything right they pleasantly surprise me with this. The only mistake they made was not back rooming you and spanking the naughty baby.

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LOL

[amead]

Turning up cards to get a read at low stakes NLHE (and probably at any stakes) is a totally lame maneuver. I suspect that anyone who'd call the floor over in the middle of the hand to ask if he can flip up his cards before declaring action probably has a metric crapton of other l33t m0vez that get pulled semi-regularly.

Your righteous indignation is pathetic, but mentioning you are a junior litigation monkey sort of brings everything full circle, giving a pretty clear inside look at what makes you tick.

You hollywooded, you got the clock called after slowing the game down to bring in the floor to make a pointless ruling, and then ultimately made the obviously wrong decision of not calling.

Fail.

[vabogee]

are there still people out there who think "LOL ____aments" is funny?

[Maple Leafs]

I hope that when the mods lock this, they first give you a "10, 9, 8... "

[ICallHimGamblor]

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I hope that when the mods lock this, they first give you a "10, 9, 8... "

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Agreed. Instacall, and should never have been moved from B&M in the first place.

[Maple Leafs]

lol banishments

[Cactus Jack]

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I am a law student

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TY for the credentials, when do you graduate? Seems like your in the right business to me. Hey check if David Singer can hook you up w/ a job.

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Yep, perfect job for you. Lawyers make money putting the blame on everyone other than the plaintiff. gg life

[maryfield48]

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if you cant even figure out which forum your supposed to post this story in, then how am I supposed to trust your story? (moved from B&M to WSOP/Tourny forum).

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This is the classic *TT* post - delivered with confidence and authority, and 100% back-assward.

[jafeather]

OP you are obviously a douche. I have no idea what you expected from, or why you thought it necessary to turn up your cards. You took a very standard situation and a very simple decision and turned it into a sideshow. Make the call, or make the fold, but don't make others at the table put up with your stupid antics.

As for whether the floor gave you the full minute or not....I don't know. I only know that they should've never been put in the situation of being called to the table to begin with to put up with your newbie "oooooo....I'm gonna get a read on you now" home game bull[censored].

[secretprankster]

lol, this thread had me in tears.

[pig4bill]

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if you cant even figure out which forum your supposed to post this story in, then how am I supposed to trust your story? (moved from B&M to WSOP/Tourny forum).

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This is the classic *TT* post - delivered with confidence and authority, and 100% back-assward.

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LOL

[Cornell Fiji]

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if you cant even figure out which forum your supposed to post this story in, then how am I supposed to trust your story? (moved from B&M to WSOP/Tourny forum).

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This is the classic *TT* post - delivered with confidence and authority, and 100% back-assward.

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LOL

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QFT. In what bizzaro world does this complaint about poker room management in a cash game make more sense in the tournament forum then the forum where people discuss poker room management.

Why has tournament circuit become the New Jersey for NVG and B&M's trash

[zuluking]

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at which point I ask the dealer (since I am closing the action) if i could turn my hand face-up. Dealer calls floor, who agrees. I turn up a J /images/graemlins/spade.gifT /images/graemlins/spade.gif,

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After I read this, the rest of the thread didn't matter. Whatever happened, get over it. Play real poker, not tv poker.

[Ace-Ex]

Shoulda asked the floor if it was okay to just turn up 1 card...that woulda REALLY messed with their heads.. oooh I love tricky players!

[elliot]

DERRRRRRRR LOOK AT ME I PLAY LOW STAKES NL HOLDEM LIKE IM ON ESPN DERRRRRR

kill yourself.

[Texter]

should of told them you were a blogger.

[Terrapin Soup]

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DERRRRRRRR LOOK AT ME I PLAY LOW STAKES NL HOLDEM LIKE IM ON ESPN DERRRRRR

kill yourself.

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Elliot, you've got class out the wazoo. Marry my sister, wouldja?

At the very least, keep making trollish posts echoing something that's been said 30 times already in the thread.

[intheflatfield]

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are there still people out there who think "LOL ____aments" is funny?

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yes..dont know why, but still makes me chuckle

[NajdorfDefense]

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any little nit who has to think about making that call should be barred from life

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Agreed.

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[davidlong14]

Hollywooding is usually for d*bags. OP is proof positive.

[entertainme]

They don't want this in B & M. +

It doesn't belong here. +

You've had your lumps.

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