Hand quiz - the ol' cbet min c/r part 2

[wildzer0]

I posted a thread a week or two about dealing with min c/r after cbetting and I thought it generated some interesting conversations. The hands I posted generally involved flopping weakish draws, let's look at some hypothetical hands where we flop a bit better at 50nl



Hand #1 - Villain is 28/17/3

Villain (UTG+1) - $50
Hero (CO) - $50

Hero is dealt K/images/graemlins/club.gif T/images/graemlins/club.gif
Villain open limps, hero raises to $4, folded to villain who calls.

Flop: K/images/graemlins/heart.gif J/images/graemlins/heart.gif 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (pot $8.75)
Villain checks, hero bets $8, Villain raises to 16, Hero...


Hand #2 - Villain is 57/12/2

Hero (Button) - $50
Villain (BB) - $30

Hero is dealt A/images/graemlins/heart.gif Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif
Hero open raises to $4, Villain calls.

Flop: K/images/graemlins/club.gif Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif (pot $8.25)
Villain checks, hero bets $7.50, Villain raises to $15, Hero


Hand #3 - Villain is 19/17/3 - his fold to cbet % is around 45% over a large sample and his fold BB to steal is 65%

Hero (Button) - $50
Villain (BB) - $50

Hero is dealt J/images/graemlins/spade.gif T/images/graemlins/spade.gif
Hero open raises to $4, villain calls

Flop: 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif J/images/graemlins/club.gif (pot $8.25)
Villain checks, Hero bets $7.5, Villain raises to $15, Hero


Hand #4 - Villain is 65/47/2.5

Hero (Button) - $50
Villain (BB) - $50

Hero is dealt A/images/graemlins/spade.gif 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif
Hero open raises to $4, villain cals

Flop: 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif J/images/graemlins/club.gif A/images/graemlins/heart.gif (pot $8.25)
Villain checks, Hero bets $7.5, Villain raises to $15, Hero

[bozzer]

good quiz.

i'm a bit tired, but i'll have a stab. not much explanation i'm afraid.

1. raise. drawy flop, decent hand, aggro villain who is unlikely to have a better K. raise is not really for value though.

2. call. dry flop, middle pair, chance to improve, dodgy villain. call a small bet on turn. closest one to a fold IMO.

3. call. very wet flop, good chance we'll get shoved on and have to fold. also we don't have that much equity against his range (TP<TK), but he's stubbon so we can definately continue with the hand.

4. call lagtard with top pair. buckle up.

[starvin-garvin]

cool idea, but I think you confused 50nl and 100nl w/r/t bet sizing.

[wildzer0]

Lol you're right. That's why I usually do these quizzes in BB's. Just pretend I'm not an idiot, stacks are full except for hand #2.

[misterwigs]

My reaction in a game would be:

1. Fold
2. Fold
3. Raise
4. Fold. (We have TP but he probably does to)

Obviously I'm weak-tight and need to evaluate this aspect of my game.

[wildzer0]

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good quiz.

i'm a bit tired, but i'll have a stab. not much explanation i'm afraid.

1. raise. drawy flop, decent hand, aggro villain who is unlikely to have a better K. raise is not really for value though.

2. call. dry flop, middle pair, chance to improve, dodgy villain. call a small bet on turn. closest one to a fold IMO.

3. call. very wet flop, good chance we'll get shoved on and have to fold. also we don't have that much equity against his range (TP<TK), but he's stubbon so we can definately continue with the hand.

4. call lagtard with top pair. buckle up.

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For the hands you're calling, what's your plan for the rest of the hand? They're all pretty aggro and chances are they're going to shove all their chips in on the next street.

[crovax4444]

Hand 1: I fold, it is unlikely villain would c/r a draw here, even if it's a minirase. He could be doing it with AK, 2-pair or a set here.

Hand 2: Fold, if we call, we are going all-the way in because of stack sizes. This isn't even TP!

Hand 3: I still fold, see hand 1 and his large % of folding to a steal

Hand 4: Uncoordinated board and villain c/r? I see the ace, he see's the ace. He shows a lot of strength, I fold. It does kinda smell like a pocket pair though

Crovax

[bozzer]

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Hand 2: Fold, if we call, we are going all-the way in because of stack sizes. This isn't even TP!


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good point, I didn't see he only had $30. fold.

[Sweir]

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Hand 1: I fold, it is unlikely villain would c/r a draw here, even if it's a minirase. He could be doing it with AK, 2-pair or a set here.

Hand 2: Fold, if we call, we are going all-the way in because of stack sizes. This isn't even TP!

Hand 3: I still fold, see hand 1 and his large % of folding to a steal

Hand 4: Uncoordinated board and villain c/r? I see the ace, he see's the ace. He shows a lot of strength, I fold. It does kinda smell like a pocket pair though

Crovax

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No wonder the donks keep minraising cbets..

I don't think I fold any of these. If the pfr size was correct then the villain with the short stack would have more behind so we wouldn't be playing for stacks just yet.