NL50 - Standard or very nitty fold with QQ?

[KriStuS]

Sry about the bad HH, there's no converter avaible for B2B hands.

"Petpetpet" is a regular who plays 6tables, that's about all I know on him.
Preflop and flop is standard I think, if I had pushed it in after his raise at the flop I kinda think that I just will be called by better hands. So I call, but on the turn I really don't know what I should be doing. Help and opinions on the hands plz.

Game # 604320582 - Texas Holdem No Limit EUR 0,25/0,50 - Table "Ullared"

Players(max 6):
MatsilondA (EUR 17,25 in seat 1)
ToriAK (EUR 22,89 in seat 2)
intro (EUR 121,29 in seat 3)
The_Gul (EUR 56,18 in seat 4)
doolan1 (EUR 6,35 in seat 5)
petpetpet (EUR 77,10 in seat 6)

Dealer: MatsilondA
Small Blind: ToriAK (0,25)
Big Blind: intro (0,50)

intro was dealt: Q /images/graemlins/spade.gif - Q /images/graemlins/diamond.gif

The_Gul Call (0,50)
doolan1 Fold
petpetpet Call (0,50)
MatsilondA Call (0,50)
ToriAK Fold
intro Raise (2,50)
The_Gul Call (2,50)
petpetpet Call (2,50)
MatsilondA Fold

Flop 6 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif - 3 /images/graemlins/club.gif - T /images/graemlins/spade.gif

intro Bet (6,00)
The_Gul Fold
petpetpet Raise (17,00)
intro Call (11,00)

Turn 6 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif - 3 /images/graemlins/club.gif - T /images/graemlins/spade.gif - 6 /images/graemlins/heart.gif

intro Check
petpetpet Bet (23,00)
intro Fold

[SoMarginal]

Often times I think I am looking at a set in this position. He limps OOP and then cold calls a raise. Often times especially with regulars this is a low pocket pair, probably 3's in this case. The check raise on the flop is low meaning he wants to keep you in the pot. and then he value bets the turn. I think at best your drawing to 2 outs here. If he suffers from FPS he might have something like AA or KK, but that is a far shot.

[KriStuS]

That's about exactly my thoughts!, So you think I played it good then? A fold on the flop is out of the question right?

What do you other people think?

[ragip]

It looks like a set to me too. But unless he is frequently raising you on the flop I think you might be able to fold there as well, The only hand I see you beating after the raise is JJ. Does this sound too nitty?

[relativity_x]

A few things. Your preflop raise was very small. You needed to pop it up to 5/6ish.

Also, a t36 rainbow flop is beautiful for your hand. Also, if petpet had AA,KK here, I'd say he'd have to raise to the UTG limper, so QQ+,AK are out of his range here.

With that said, this could very well be JJ/TT/99/88/77/33/AT/45.

Without a read on his aggression, this is close. I think a fold is okay.

fwiw, I'd have to call and have him show me 33. If he has a set, he's playing it very fast on this dry of a flop. His bets are screaming go away to me, and I think we have good equity against his range especially verse 45/33/tt/at/jt/kt/99/jj range.

[bozzer]

flop call, turn fold to a brick (given action) is really really bad.

against a 6 tabler you're probably only beating jacks or a random AT (edit: or 45) so I think I can find a fold on that flop if you've haven't noticed him play back at you.

with any indication at all that he might be weak though this becomes a shove.

[relativity_x]

the only way I fold this if he's a passive player because that's the only line that we'd be scared of from that type of a player. IF he's an aggressive player, he'd be trying to take you to value town with a set.

JJ/99 could be playing this way if he thinks you have an AQ/AK/kq type of hand, which is also probable here, because he is facing 9 scare cards on the turn/river.

If you had a better read about his aggressiveness, I'd be more likely to fold. I'd probably have to call here given the situation.

[KriStuS]

Is really the preflop raise too small? I raise wih 2,50 and therefore make it 3, this is after 3 limpers. Sometimes I make it 3,50 total. But to make it 5 or 6 sounds very, very much to me.

I call the flop because I think that if he got a hand that I beat, TJ, 99, AT, JJ or so I thought that he would check behind on the turn and therfore show me if I'm ahead. And then I could just valuebet him on the river. But when he fires on the turn I figured hemust be strong, because my line of play must look really strong. And ofcourse he look strong to.

[sightless]

raise more pf to 3>50 with 3 limpers before you, bet like 9 in that big pot and fold to his big raise sicne he probably has a set ):

[corsakh]

Both of his bets look weak to me.. You are a little deep though and I would make a decision on the flop. Its close.

[ama0330]

Raise more preflop and shove or fold the flop.

[corsakh]

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Raise more preflop and shove or fold the flop.

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Shove? Why would you shove?

[IronOsprey]

Yes the pf raise really is too small because you will be OOP to both limpers and with the deeper than standard stack for petpetpet he has good direct (due to the limpers call) and implied odds with position. What is your image at the table / with villain? Do you think he has a lot of hands on you? If he thinks you're TAG, fastplaying a set would be perfect on a dry board. As played I think it's a fold against a (assumed TAG) MTer.

[Nogatsira]

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Shove? Why would you shove?

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Because just calling gets you nowhere. I guess your WA/WB

[corsakh]

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Because just calling gets you nowhere. I guess your WA/WB

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Well.. I guess it depends where you want to get /images/graemlins/smile.gif If you want to loose some value against overpairs, I guess a shove is good.

[ocdscale]

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Shove? Why would you shove?

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Because just calling gets you nowhere. I guess your WA/WB

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This is beyond stupid.
If you think it's a WA/WB situation you almost never shove because you force villain to play perfect poker (he folds every hand worse than yours and calls with every hand better).