help me with 50nl

[kimos123]

Hi,
i am playing online for 6 monthes now and i build a good bankroll with 25nl tables, but everytime i try to play 50nl my ass got kicked and lose 2 or 3 buy-ins and i go back to 25nl to get the money back.

what is the diffrent in 25nl play style with 50nl?

i played with the same agression as in 25nl, but what i saw is that people tent do raise more preflop and reraise also.

i really need a few tips for 50nl

tia

[Asheh]

This is tough question without some hand histories. Maybe your scared of losing $50 rather than $25?

[Nogatsira]

what are your stats on nl25?

[kimos123]

stats in 50nl
vpm 30
PF 15
AG 1.5

stats in 25nl
30/10/1

[Nogatsira]

Aha, they are probably tossing you around with those stats.
You are playing a bit too many hands and limping too much. You're also not agressive enough. It seems you're playing with scared money or something.

Play less hands in early position, your vpip will drop. IF you play a hand, then raise it up! And keep betting it cause people will call every single continuation bet from you to take it away on the turn.

[K䲰䮥n]

Dropping few BIs is standard. But work with your aggression. Next step will be that you'll be aggressive in the wrong places. Then you'll adapt.

[Nogatsira]

Oh and post some hands, reply at other peoples hand without reading what the others said, then see what the others said and see how you would have played it compared to the other players.

Study, study study and get better!

[kimos123]

thanks for the replay
what is a good state in 50nl?

[Nogatsira]

22/18/3 something close to that
but picking spots, playing after the flop, .. are all as important aswell

[kimos123]

isnt that too tight? will people still call your raise with a good hand?

[Nogatsira]

that aint too tight
and offcorse people will call your raise with a good hand, but people will always call a raise with a good hand.

if you're playing 30/11/1 then people will also call with weak hands and just bluff you out

[netstorm]

kimos, dont worry about being too tight. There have been, and still are, regulars who are running 16/13, and those are crushing the $50nl. I think you may not be positionally aware enough, but thats hard to say. Whats your attempt to steal blind % ?

Tighten up in early position. Only raise hands that are KQo+, ATs+, any PP from UTG. You will see that those ranges are very tight, but when you are in the CO or OTB, you can go nuts and raise about 30-35% of your hands. This will bring your VPIP down to about 23 I think. Dont ever limp again. If you want to be in the pot, make sure its gonna be a raised pot. If you need any more advice, post hands or try to think of situations that come up often that you dont know how to handle yourself.

~netstorm

[relativity_x]

I suggest you go back to 25 NL and practice on playing far more aggressive. 31/11/1.5 is not optimum for any level.

1) If you're going to play hands like JTs,67s, raise it up.
2) Don't limp pocket pair from UTG,MP.
3) Narrow your calling range.
4) From your 1.5 AF, I'd say you hardly ever cbet and probably just fold if you don't hit the flop. Start taking stabs at pots that no one wants.

Play around 5k hands at 25 NL trying this advice and then give 50 NL a shot again.

[jimpo]

[ QUOTE ]
stats in 50nl
vpm 30
PF 15
AG 1.5

stats in 25nl
30/10/1

[/ QUOTE ]

Sorry, but those are pretty fishy stats. When I am selecting tables, if I see a table with multiple 30/10/1 players I put myself in the wait list. You are too loose and need to be more aggressive both preflop and postflop.

Fixing this though is not as easy as one would think, as you cannot just "decide to be more aggressive" as you can easily just be aggressive in the wrong spots. I don't think there's an easy "off the shelf" answer, you just have to learn using the normal boring methods (posting hands, reading books, cardrunners, etc). I think you are probably better off improving your game for a while at NL25 as you can maybe concentrate more on your game as opponents are more passive and don't bother you as much.

[kimos123]

those stats are for 6 players table thats why VPIP is high maybe.
yes i always cbet my raise, and i never limp. and i make moves alot and steal blinds sometimes.
i will tighten up my game more, thanks for the advice.
ps: im sorry i coudnt replay fast

[china_hard]

If you never limp you are calling raises far too often, probably especially out of the blinds. This is something you very very rarely want to be doing.

[Heine]

Use Position more. My VPIP on my button is close to 33. Position as you move up because a bigger and bigger sword.

Wield it like it should, play aggressively in position. For a while try not to play OOP. Once you realize and begin how to use it, learn to play a little OOP to start defending your blinds (this will become a bigger problem as you move up).

So basically, play PP, A10s+, AJ, KQs, from UTG and UTG+1 for a while. And open that range up to more suited stuff on the CO and basically expand that range even more on the button. Learn when to Cbet, and when NOT to. Thats very important.

Good luck.

[kimos123]

are there general lines for when to Cbet and when not to?

[CowsFTW]

In the Essential selection at least one thread about c-betting is mentioned.

[kimos123]

thanks CowsFTW i will read that

[paulnic]

are these stats really that bad for 6max tables?

[Heine]

Yes, very very bad.

I think my stats aren't that great and i'm running almost 23-18.