Eric Froehlich calls Rolf Slotboom a donkey

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Slightly old news, but nothing came up in a search. This hand took place in the 2000 No Limit event (quoted from Eric Froehlich's blog).

I chipped back to 14,000, when I opened UTG+1 with AsKc to 1300. It folded around to the SB, who went into the tank, and I mean really went into the tank. Three minutes passed without him doing much of anything besides quietly move his mouth, apparently doing math. He had only played one hand in the 4 hours I’d be at the same table as him, when he open shoved his button for 50bbs with Kh7h, sucking out on AdQd. He whispered something to the dealer, who made him repeat himself twice. I asked the dealer what he had said, and he said “the player says he is allin.” We were within 1 BB of each other, and he reraised my 1300 bet to 13,500. I instacalled, and it took him 30 seconds to finally realize he had to turn over his 8d9d. He started screaming like Mattias Anderson of the 2005 WSOP final table, telling the dealer to concentrate on 8s and 9s. I asked the dealer to please not reward the moron just one time. That would not be the case as the donkey kong got there and I was out.


Efro's blog that sparked the controversy
http://pokerwire.com/article/763/Event-25:-$2000-Limit-Hold'em
Efro's response to Rolf
http://pokerwire.com/article/863/A-Little-Something-Different

Rolf's response to Efro's initial blog (See June 19)
http://news.pokerpages.com/index.php?opt...mp;limitstart=6 (http://news.pokerpages.com/index.php?option=com_simpleblog&task=view&id=2292& Itemid=0&limit=1&limitstart=6)
Rolf's response to Efro's response (See June 23)
http://news.pokerpages.com/index.php?opt...mp;limitstart=4 (http://news.pokerpages.com/index.php?option=com_simpleblog&task=view&id=2292& Itemid=0&limit=1&limitstart=4)

In short, Eric called Rolf a brain dead donkey, Rolf responded, Eric then said that other pros agreed that Rolf was a brain dead donkey, and Rolf responded again. Rolf doesn't appear to deny doing his Mattias Anderson impression and his justification for the play (that Eric was only a 60/40 favorite) seems pretty weak, as I'd expect Eric only calls with AK and overpairs.

[Ignacio Munoz]

E-Fro is fat.

[creamfillin]

ZOMG

[The Camel]

It's really weird.

Away from the table Rolf is a really nice, laid back guy.

He was in the final with me in the Masterclassics of Poker in Amsterdam last November. Some of his play was mystifying and his behaviour was outrageous. He reraised shoved for about 80bbs wth a full table behind him 45 wth about 12 players left. And when he was called he almost screamed for his cards to hit. Stunning.

Yet in the final, when he lost with AK against AK he took the defeat like a gentleman despite it costing about $500k in Sklansky bucks.

All very strange.

EDIT: The masterclassics is HUGE in the Netherlands. And prior to the final I had three seperate Dutch guys who I had never met before come up to me and say something like "Camel, please don't let Slotboom win. That would be a disaster". Pretty weird when he was one of only two hometown players in the final.

[Victor]

in other news...

[Yeti]

i sat with rolf for a little while in one tournament, he seems like a pretty weird guy, but i have no idea if it's an act or not.

'efro' sounds like a whiny little bitch.

[The B]

Rolf....write an article worth a sh*t for cardplayer, why the Shulmans keep you around I'll never know

[maryfield48]

They should both STFU.

[klownage]

lol @ rolf's blog. he really is bad.

[krainec]

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They should both STFU.

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QFT

I guess I'm not the only person who is tired of pro's blogging about their bad beats and how horrendously someone else played. They feel the need to point out the mistakes someone made against them. Why? If you think someone plays poorly, why not keep your mouth shut and just let them continue to do so.

[Rootabager]

What is worse having rolf at your table yelling or having to look at that fat blog efro?

I think it's really a toss up.

[augie_]

wow those dutch poker games must be juicy

[secretprankster]

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having to look at that fat blog efro

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lolol

[LennartZ]

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wow those dutch poker games must be juicy

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They are, trust me. I know.

[Marnixvdb]

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wow those dutch poker games must be juicy

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They are, trust me. I know.

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yeah they are but not because Rolf is in them as implied by Augie

[FatalError]

he must be a brain dead stoner or something
i played with him in the 1000 stud8b
he was a nit

and the games at the holland casino in amsterdam are sick sick sick

5-5 and 10-10 NL are rockin games which basically play like 5-10 and 10-25 USD respectively

[LennartZ]

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wow those dutch poker games must be juicy

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They are, trust me. I know.

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yeah they are but not because Rolf is in them as implied by Augie

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Slotboom is a pretty bad NLHE player, he mainly plays PLO and LHE

[augie_]

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wow those dutch poker games must be juicy

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They are, trust me. I know.

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yeah they are but not because Rolf is in them as implied by Augie

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no i was implying that if rolf is a big winner than the other players must be hilariously bad

[Victor]

someone needs to link the quiz article on lhe slotboom did a few years ago that advocated such bizzare plays as folding ako to a single raise pf from the blinds.

[Marnixvdb]

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wow those dutch poker games must be juicy

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They are, trust me. I know.

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yeah they are but not because Rolf is in them as implied by Augie

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no i was implying that if rolf is a big winner than the other players must be hilariously bad

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His strong games are LHE and PLO and he has won big at them. NLHE MTT's are not his fuerte even though he's had some good results

[Scary_Tiger]

Rolf is pretty clearly a braindead donkey.

Not much more to it than that.

[yellowjack]

i like how rolf doesn't deny the mattias impersonation nor his misread of eric's play in the past 2 hours.

[eurythmech]

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wow those dutch poker games must be juicy

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They are, trust me. I know.

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yeah they are but not because Rolf is in them as implied by Augie

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Slotboom is a pretty bad NLHE player, he mainly plays PLO and LHE

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If what's written in the OP is true, then no way in hell is RS decent in any form of poker.

[WMB]

If Rolf is that big a donkey it must be very easy to make a nice living over there as he has done for the past 9 years

[Ron Burgundy]

Every pro thinks everyone else is a donkey. Who the [censored] cares?

[Victor]

ok bc im bored and scared to play poker bc i never win and its too hot to do anything outside i found the quiz.

http://www.pokerpages.com/articles/archives/slotboom04a.php3

and the accompanying 2p2 thread.

http://archiveserver.twoplustwo.com/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/1068439/page/0/fpart/1

[g-p]

both look dumb but whatever

[Pudge714]

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wow those dutch poker games must be juicy

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They are, trust me. I know.

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yeah they are but not because Rolf is in them as implied by Augie

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Slotboom is a pretty bad NLHE player, he mainly plays PLO and LHE

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If what's written in the OP is true, then no way in hell is RS decent in any form of poker.

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[Teh1337zor]

FullTiltPoker Game #2417024885: Table Maryland (6 max) - $15/$30 - Limit Hold'em - 16:10:15 ET - 2007/05/13
Seat 1: steveg12 ($1,420)
Seat 2: Redskins5326 ($1,270)
Seat 3: Eric Froehlich ($1,122)
Seat 4: pmppmppmp ($2,275.50)
Seat 5: BlackeyedP ($1,928)
Seat 6: wastrel5 ($691)
steveg12 posts the small blind of $10
Redskins5326 posts the big blind of $15
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Redskins5326 [Ah 2s]
Eric Froehlich raises to $30
pmppmppmp folds
BlackeyedP folds
wastrel5 folds
steveg12 folds
Redskins5326 calls $15
*** FLOP *** [9d Qc 4s]
Redskins5326 checks
Eric Froehlich bets $15
Redskins5326 raises to $30
Eric Froehlich raises to $45
Redskins5326 raises to $60
Eric Froehlich calls $15
*** TURN *** [9d Qc 4s] [8h]
Redskins5326 bets $30
Eric Froehlich folds
Uncalled bet of $30 returned to Redskins5326
Redskins5326 shows [Ah 2s] (Ace Queen high)
Redskins5326 wins the pot ($187)

[MrTeddyKGB]

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ok bc im bored and scared to play poker bc i never win and its too hot to do anything outside i found the quiz.

http://www.pokerpages.com/articles/archives/slotboom04a.php3

and the accompanying 2p2 thread.

http://archiveserver.twoplustwo.com/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/1068439/page/0/fpart/1

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i got an 83
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You seem to know a little, but not enough yet to be a winning player. (Re-) read some more books. Since all questions in this quiz were about basic, common situations only, you should have done better if you are in fact a serious player.


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I thought he was good at limit, AKs vs ep rasie he says fold>call>RR in SB /images/graemlins/confused.gif He also only plays short stack in PLO and those are supposed to be his main games lol.

[rubbrband]

Eric is a pretty soft spoken guy. If he says something like this chances are the guy is a huge tard.

[ZeTurd]

FWIW, his Omaha book (Secrets of Professional Pot-Limit Omaha) is pretty good even though I think he's a bit too fond of shortstacking, limp/reraising and min-raising...

[Kneel B4 Zod]

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ok bc im bored and scared to play poker bc i never win and its too hot to do anything outside i found the quiz.

http://www.pokerpages.com/articles/archives/slotboom04a.php3

and the accompanying 2p2 thread.

http://archiveserver.twoplustwo.com/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/1068439/page/0/fpart/1

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i got an 83
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You seem to know a little, but not enough yet to be a winning player. (Re-) read some more books. Since all questions in this quiz were about basic, common situations only, you should have done better if you are in fact a serious player.


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I thought he was good at limit, AKs vs ep rasie he says fold>call>RR in SB /images/graemlins/confused.gif He also only plays short stack in PLO and those are supposed to be his main games lol.

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if you read the thread he pops in and basically says "yeah the quiz is old, it's really bad for lots of reasons, etc etc"

[betgo]

Slotboom's nickname is "ace" for playing tight, and he developed a PLO strategy of buying in short and reraising with AAxx. I think he is better at strategy and discipline than "playing poker", so he probably likes to overbet resteal.

The overbet pushes here are pretty bad given the positions and hands.

I actually think his articles are some of the better ones in "Card Player".

[Jorge10]

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Rolf....write an article worth a sh*t for cardplayer, why the Shulmans keep you around I'll never know

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Because most people who write for cardplayer suck more than him. Out of all the writters his omaha stuff is some of the better material there. He has written stuff that makes me say, "that was an very interesting article it really made me think about my game." I cant say that about Hellmuth, Varkoni, and about 8 others whose names I cant remember right now.

[DeMaci]

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Eric is a pretty soft spoken guy. If he says something like this chances are the guy is a huge tard.

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QFT

[curtains]

Whatever if someone screams at you or the dealer or the cards or whatever like a lunatic during a poker hand, I think they have given up the right to not be humiliated in public.

[MrTimCaum]

I played with Rolf deep in the $2k nl. He was pretty bad and incredibly obnoxious when he goes into his act once he's all in.

[Cat]

I really hate his interviews in Cardplayer, he has absolutely NO sense of humour. My fave Slotboom story is a probably drunk Rory Liffey (Irish pro) very loudly (ie the whole room heard) taking the piss out of him in Deauville last year for putting himself on the cover of Cardplayer the first issue he took over as editor. Very funny. How humourless and arrogant do you have to be to put yourself on the cover?!

[raptor517]

i already thought rolf was an idiot. now im 100% sure hes an idiot.

[corpseartist]

From Rolf's blog:

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Yet, I am the guy who has written the (arguably) most inluential book to date about the exact same game that has given him a bracelet - PLO. And yet, he has never heard of me!

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wow

[Karlson269]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=awhyuRKRfOU

[graarrg]

I remember taking that quiz a long time ago when I was into LHE, and I read almost all of Rolf Slotboom's articles.

I knew nothing about poker.

[Vidocq]

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Rolf Slotboom Has Been Eliminated
He made an all-in move from middle position with and was called by a player with pocket Tens. The flop gave Slotboom a...let's see...it gave him a backdoor flush draw. But the on the turn left him drawing dead and he was eliminated.


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linkage (http://www.pokernews.com/live-reporting/2007-wsop/event-55-world-championship-no-limit-holdem/)

[Webjoker]

I see, everyone knows best here but if we reflect on the hand spoken off in the initial post you can't conclude otherwise than to say that Eric is an idiot. Calling with AK makes perfect sense if you are sick of the all-in and know you’re in a coin flip situation. But don't whine if you lose. He knows (I hope for him) AK is a drawing hand and that you are not far ahead versus two connecting undercards and in a toss against a pair.

Even me, a low-limit player, don't post my lost coin flips or lost 60-40 situations on my blog. It's idiot to complain, even if Rolf would act like an idiot when the showdown came.

Rolf is good PLO player and writes for cardplayer and has written an influential book on PLO. Sir Eric doesn’t know him and calls him a donk, very idiotic move. I can’t stop to think that Eric isn't really social clever.

Anyway, that was my defense again for Rolf. An extravagant player which makes the game that more interesting.

N.B. The games in Holland Casino are soft but that's the case in almost every live game because of tourists, drunks and idiots. Not just in the Netherlands. There are people who can play in the Netherlands, just to make sure everyone knows /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Sciolist]

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NLHE MTT's are not his fuerte even though he's had some good results

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I don't normally comment on spelling, but this is the best attempt at forte I've ever seen.

[doublejoker]

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I see, everyone knows best here but if we reflect on the hand spoken off in the initial post you can't conclude otherwise than to say that Eric is an idiot. Calling with AK makes perfect sense if you are sick of the all-in and know you’re in a coin flip situation. But don't whine if you lose. He knows (I hope for him) AK is a drawing hand and that you are not far ahead versus two connecting undercards and in a toss against a pair.

Even me, a low-limit player, don't post my lost coin flips or lost 60-40 situations on my blog. It's idiot to complain, even if Rolf would act like an idiot when the showdown came.

Rolf is good PLO player and writes for cardplayer and has written an influential book on PLO. Sir Eric doesn’t know him and calls him a donk, very idiotic move. I can’t stop to think that Eric isn't really social clever.

Anyway, that was my defense again for Rolf. An extravagant player which makes the game that more interesting.

N.B. The games in Holland Casino are soft but that's the case in almost every live game because of tourists, drunks and idiots. Not just in the Netherlands. There are people who can play in the Netherlands, just to make sure everyone knows /images/graemlins/smile.gif

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Calling efro an idiot is insane; this guys won multiple bracelets

[GotQuads]

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http://youtube.com/watch?v=awhyuRKRfOU

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Has this been discussed here? I find his advice questionable, especially in the second hand he's discussing.