Trip Report - Majestic in Indiana (includes a scuffle/security guard)

[rbenuck4]

I live in Chicago, and I usually go to Resorts to play, but my buddies didn't want to play 5 10 limit (which is the lowest they have at Resorts) so we end up at Majestic (formerly the Trump). My 2 friends sit down at 3 6 limit, and I take a seat with the big boys at 10 25 nl.

The minimum buy in is 1000, and I buy in minimum because I define scared money. Anyway, nothing happens for awhile, I steal a few pots, make some hands, and run my money up to 1500. Then I donk off 900 of it in one hand where I flop top pair and think its good the whole way when some guy flopped a straight....whoops. Anyway, I get my chips back up to 1000, then I bust a guy when I flop a set against him. He rebuys for 1000, and I bust him again when I flop another set on him. The big hand of the night happened soon after this (posted in high stakes nl). Basically, I had QQ and called an all in on the flop with a board of 752, and the guy had pocket 8's. The rest of the table was shocked with my call, and all of them said they were laying that hand down to this guy. I won the hand and the 3K+ pot, and the table began to break up soon after. It was my last orbit (because we were only playing 5 handed and i didn't want to play 5 handed) and I raise CO with A8s, and the flop came 888. NICE. Unfortunately, I didnt get much value out of it, but it was a nice way to leave the table. Overall, I made 3.4K on that table, but when I left, I felt like I was the weakest plalyer left.

I get up and my friends are playing 3 6, so I take the only open seat with all my chips. I toss in a black and ask for 100 whites. TIME TO GAMBLE. I'm raising 50% of the hands, I'm straddling, I'm practically telling people what I have in my hand with comments like "That flop hit me hard" and "trust me, get out now while you can," and I was having fun, but apparently some of the people at the table weren't having as much fun with my antics. One guy started talking smack to me, making fun of my education because he had never heard of the undergrad i went to (I was wearing a Tufts sweatshirt), laughing when I straddled saying that I was so stupid, etc... This was your typical degenrate who was a regular there but still stuck at the 3 6 game. Anyway, he raised from MP and I 3 bet from the button with 10 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif9 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif. Flop came 8 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif 7 /images/graemlins/spade.gif 2 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif. I tell him that the flop hit me real hard but he calls my flop and turn bet. The river puts a diamond on the board giving me the flush, I bet and he calls. This is where he goes nuts, chucking A8 into the muck. Interestingly, beore I go on, I'd like to note I had 21 outs twice once the flop came and was a pretty decent favorite. He starts swearing at me, and every other word out of his mouth is the F word. He keeps going for a few minutes, and I am not saying anything for awhile. However, as it continues, I start to get annoyed, so I start talking back with "I'm sorry, I can't hear you while I'm stacking your chips" and "would you like a tissue to dry your tears." Normally I am a very nice guy at the table and am a gracious winner and a gracious loser, but this guy for some reason really got under my skin. I'm not sure he realized that I had just gotten up from a very good session at a much higher stake and didn't really care about donking it up at the 3 6 game. Anyway, I get so annoyed that I just rack up and leave.

I'm at the cage waiting to cash out, and I look back at the table and he is just staring me down with this "I'm going to kill you" look on his face. I'm still pretty annoyed so I give my best grin and wave to him like a little schoolgirl. This is when he gets up from the table and starts walking over. I tell the cage lady to get security but she just sits there. He comes over and grabs my neck and takes my sunglasses (which I had been wearing at the 3 6 table as a gag) and starts shoving me. At this point I am screaming for security and they finally come and break us up. I tell them he has my sunglasses and eventually he gives them back. I tell them my version of the story and then he claims that I told him that I wanted to go to the parking lot to beat the you know what out of him. I start laughing because this guy was at least twice my size. The security guard also grins because he realizes how ridiculous that would've been for me to say, and they ask if I wanted to press charges. I say no, and that I just wanted to leave. They let us go and keep him behind (no idea what eventually happened).

Anyway, Final results were as follows.
10 25 ... + 3400
3 6 ... + 136
Next Trip ... Resorts

[surfinillini]

next time don't be that guy, a loud mouth prick, and hide behind the cage when it's time to face the music.

Gary, Indiana is not Vegas, they don't give a [censored] about you so I'm not surprised they didn't help you out until the end.

sorry dawg but you got what you deserved

[rbenuck4]

ILLINI

I agree that I should've kept my mouth shut. I am not proud in reporting this trip. Just felt like posting might make sure that this doesn't happen again.

FWIW, I really was just trying to be a jovial guy at the table, and was just trying to lighten the mood a little and gamble it up.

[crackhead]

Gotta agree with Surf here - Gary, Indiana is probably a lot more like Inglewood, California (Hollywood Park Casino) than Vegas. A really "interesting" collection of people playing there and not nearly enough security.

[boscoboy]

nah, i dont see it - you pretty much wrote yourself into this story as a classic prick

[jba]

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nah, i dont see it - you pretty much wrote yourself into this story as a classic prick

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you forgot to mention he's a sissy

[bonuspokergod]

Gotta agree. The guy was definitely wrong for starting a scuffle and bitching at you while at the table, but you did egg him on with your comments. You should have just stacked the chips and kept quiet no matter how annoying he was. Take the high road. Waving at him from the cage was a really big mistake IMO. Jerks like that are just waiting for any excuse to start a fight. Don't give them one.

You obviously had him on tilt at the table, you should have stayed and taken more of his money. Let the dealer & floor deal with his verbal abuse.

[cardcounter0]

Sometimes when you act like an A-Hole, some one twice your size will stick your sun glasses where the sun doesn't shine.

Too bad the security guards showed up.

[itsmarty]

I'm going to go against the grain here and say you should have pressed charges. Taking physical measures against someone for nothing more than being a dick should have consequences.

That said, I wish he would have just punched you in the sunglasses instead of taking them off and yelling ineffectually. Getting arrested for shoving a guy sucks, but paying a couple of buyins in fines for connecting would surely have felt like money well spent.

Martin

[MadTiger]

haha

[DoomSlice]

Heh, nice one!

You should have said you were pressing charges and then dropped them later... just to get him scared.

[Freerollin`]

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I'm still pretty annoyed so I give my best grin and wave to him like a little schoolgirl. This is when he gets up from the table and starts walking over.

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You do realize that you asked to get your ass kicked by a bigger person here, right?

I read this...

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I'm still pretty annoyed so I give my best grin and wave to him like a little schoolgirl. This is when he gets up from the table and starts walking over. I tell the cage lady to get security but she just sits there. He comes over and grabs my neck and takes my sunglasses (which I had been wearing at the 3 6 table as a gag) and starts shoving me. At this point I am screaming for security and they finally come and break us up

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And pictured this...

http://www.sillyjokes.co.uk/images/p-jokes/fav/rubber-chicken.jpg

[bernie]

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I'm at the cage waiting to cash out, and I look back at the table and he is just staring me down with this "I'm going to kill you" look on his face. I'm still pretty annoyed so I give my best grin and wave to him like a little schoolgirl. This is when he gets up from the table and starts walking over.

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Next time act a little more classy when you just beat the hell out of guy on the table. You helped escalate this. Once you leave the table, leave 'it' at the table.

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[Riverman]

I am all about the drunk/obnoxious low limit thing, but don't antagonize other players. It makes you look like an ass.

[canis582]

I was that guy who got in your face and roughed you up.

I'd like to thank the posters in this thread for sticking up for me.

[The Riz]

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nah, i dont see it - you pretty much wrote yourself into this story as a classic prick

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[NinjaMan]

My favorite part was the part where you basically told everyone how much of a girly man you are:

"He shoves me and I start screaming for security."

HAHAHAHAHAHA, I can only imagine how high pitched your voice was.

And to the poster 2 spots up, was it really you?!

[DeuceKicker]

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I was that guy who got in your face and roughed you up.

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If this is true (not that I'm buying it) then:
A) You're a sucky poker player
B) You're a sucky loser (and probably a sucky winner, too)
C) You're a sucky strategic thinker. To risk getting banned from a club because a guy responded to your childish insults is boneheaded

[WhiskyRiver]

I like that most people in this thread all calling this guy out for being a punk, but for those who seem to be agreeing with his actions, are there people out there who ACTUALLY think that any of what he did is "cool" or "fun"? Guy sounds like a total tool to me.

[suzzer99]

I think it's pretty simple. OP played the "mouth" game combined with some reckless, disrespecting play. It's a style, probably not one most of the posters on this board would play or be comfortable around, but a style nonetheless. He didn't do anything dishonest or unethical at the table. It won him money. One of the occupational hazards of this style is getting your ass kicked, which almost happened to OP.

That's it, no moral judgements necessary.

[WhiskyRiver]

It has nothing to do with moral judgements, it has everything to do with people who think being an immature nit is a really cool and fun personality trait.

[suzzer99]

Even if it's all just part of the game? (ala Matusow)

[DeuceKicker]

In anything but the highest limits or big tournaments, how much does getting under someone's skin really gain you? At 3-6 I'd say the chances are 50/50 that you actually make a bad player start playing more "correct" if you tilt them. Even if they turn maniacal, you make them play more aggressively and undpredictably, which is a bad thing.

In OP's case, he wasn't even talking smack (the way I'd define it). "Watch out, this flop hit me hard" might be obnoxious if you're having a bad session, but it's not the same as "JOPKE. This donkey can't even spell poker."

[MookieBlaylock]

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Even if it's all just part of the game? (ala Matusow)

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Thats still no excuse. Matusow is an a$$ also. If your game entails having to rely on being a d!ck at the table, then you are probably not a very good poker player.

[suzzer99]

Sounds like you might be exactly the kind of person those guys thrive on.

[WhiskyRiver]

I'm not seeing this as "part of the game" at all. Maybe you read it differently, but I'm pretty darn sure this was a "I play big limits, and when I play 3-6 I think I'm a total card by being a dick". There is no way you can read the OP to be doing that as an actual playing strategy.

[suzzer99]

Agreed he was being a tool. But if it made money for him by causing his adversaries to make mistakes, does that count as a strategy?

Just for the sake of argument, let's just say it did make him money. So now if I go to a 3/6 table, act the same way and make money, even though deep down I'm not that guy, does it now count as a strategy?

I don't really know where I'm going with this. I'm just saying if you let a-holes get you off your game, then yes it may be a successful strategy employed by them. As long as they don't do anything unethical or break any rules, then IMO it's all part of the game and no reason to hold a grudge.

[bav]

I've been in a 10/20 game at Mirage where one of the players was incredibly drunk and announced his hands by doing everything except naming the exact value and suit. Over and over he did this. "I have a tiny pair!" followed by a huge giggle and "my tiny pair just got lots better" after a deuce flops. And yet in every hand, someone called him all the way to the river with a poorer hand. I was completely boggled by this, but drunks honestly announcing their hands seemed to generate action and the guy walked away with a TON of chips. Guess each time the caller was thinking "THIS time he's lying". It was kinda amusing.

[Dids]

I don't get the responses to this thread. I'm not at all a person who instigates things, but by my reading, the guy was being a dick, the poster basically said nothing until the guy just went nuts. Then the guy wigs out, the poster dares to "wave" at him funny, and then does the smart thing and calls for security when somebody much bigger than him assults him?

[Noo Yawk]

Jim Malone: Isn't that just like a wop? Brings a knife to a gun fight.

[suzzer99]

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the poster basically said nothing until the guy just went nuts

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I think to most of us he comes off as a pretty big ass at the 3/6 table. And taking into account that most people are usually extra-kind to themselves in the retelling...

[rbenuck4]

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I don't get the responses to this thread. I'm not at all a person who instigates things, but by my reading, the guy was being a dick, the poster basically said nothing until the guy just went nuts. Then the guy wigs out, the poster dares to "wave" at him funny, and then does the smart thing and calls for security when somebody much bigger than him assults him?

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I think you understand the situation a little better than the other posters. I really did bite my tongue for a good 5 minutes of his nonstop swearing at me and making fun of me. However, everyman has his breaking point, and this man brought me to that point. I don't regret the comments I made to him at the table. I also don't regret standing up from the table after he still wouldn't stop.

Where I think I went wrong was continuing it at the cage, by waving to him. This was definitely wrong on my part, as I should've just let him continue to stare me down, and cashed out, and left. My one afterthought was that if i had just left then, he might've followed me out, which would've been a worse situation because there might not have been a security guard there when I needed one.

BTW, for all those saying I'm a wuss, would you really try to fight a guy in a CASINO in the shadiest part of INDIANA who was BIGGER than you. Definitely a -EV play. Go ahead and call me a wuss, but this wuss doesn't want to get arrested in shady Indiana.

[rbenuck4]

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the poster basically said nothing until the guy just went nuts

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And taking into account that most people are usually extra-kind to themselves in the retelling...

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I wasn't being kind. I wrote verbatum (spelling?) what I said at the table. The only other comment I made to him was when he was making fun of my undergrad school (Tufts), I asked him where he graduated from to which there was no reply except another expletive.

[rbenuck4]

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Agreed he was being a tool. But if it made money for him by causing his adversaries to make mistakes, does that count as a strategy?

Just for the sake of argument, let's just say it did make him money. So now if I go to a 3/6 table, act the same way and make money, even though deep down I'm not that guy, does it now count as a strategy?

I don't really know where I'm going with this. I'm just saying if you let a-holes get you off your game, then yes it may be a successful strategy employed by them. As long as they don't do anything unethical or break any rules, then IMO it's all part of the game and no reason to hold a grudge.

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Just to clarify, I was not trying to be an ahole at the table. I was also not trying to employ any strategy. I was having fun, and trying to liven the table up a little. I didn't mind dropping a hundred or so at the 3 6 table, so I was just trying to get the action up. I also don't think anyone else at the table perceived my actions prior to the incident as being an ahole. It was just that this one guy was having a bad session and I was the one who took a few of those pots off of him (All with hands that dominated him btw).

[boscoboy]

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the poster basically said nothing until the guy just went nuts

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And taking into account that most people are usually extra-kind to themselves in the retelling...

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I wasn't being kind. I wrote verbatum (spelling?) what I said at the table. The only other comment I made to him was when he was making fun of my undergrad school (Tufts), I asked him where he graduated from to which there was no reply except another expletive.

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the more you reply the more i pity you. your father drops 200k to send you to Tufts and you come out with poor manners and the inability to spell words like "verbatim"

[Iplayragstoo]

your biggest mistake was playing the game that takes a 5 dollar rake per hand, plus 1$ for the jackpot! /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[rbenuck4]

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the poster basically said nothing until the guy just went nuts

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And taking into account that most people are usually extra-kind to themselves in the retelling...

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I wasn't being kind. I wrote verbatum (spelling?) what I said at the table. The only other comment I made to him was when he was making fun of my undergrad school (Tufts), I asked him where he graduated from to which there was no reply except another expletive.

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the more you reply the more i pity you. your father drops 200k to send you to Tufts and you come out with poor manners and the inability to spell words like "verbatim"

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LOL Bosco. In my defense, I did graduate with an engineering degree, not an english degree. And my daddy didn't pay for college, I did (or will when I pay off my loans). Now I'm stuck in med school which will just pile those loans a little higher and a little deeper.

As far as my manners go, I don't believe this one story about one trip to the casino is a good estimate to judge how I normally act at the poker table or anywhere else for that matter. This really was an isolated incidence (spelling again?) and normally I am much more calm and collected. Like I said, this guy just happened to really get under my skin, and I let my emotions get the best of me.

[boscoboy]

fair enough - btw was nice win at the NL table

[rbenuck4]

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fair enough - btw was nice win at the NL table

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ty. It happened to be my biggest score at a live casino thus far. Too bad it was tainted with the other events.

[surfinillini]

RBenuck - maybe I was a little hard with my first response...better I should've said

"What did you expect"

I played at trump every weekend in a 5/5NL no max buy in(I guess it's not spread anymore but it was great) when I was in school in champaign and I was very cautious about the people who are at the table.

it's a very shady place, I never really felt that safe in that casino, and the surrounding area is a shithole.

and to the OP - Hollywood Park in LA is worlds safer than Trump or whatever in Gary, IN

[bernie]

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the poster basically said nothing until the guy just went nuts.

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What post did you read? Seems you missed a couple paragraphs.

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I don't get the responses to this thread. I'm not at all a person who instigates things, but by my reading, the guy was being a dick, the poster basically said nothing until the guy just went nuts. Then the guy wigs out, the poster dares to "wave" at him funny, and then does the smart thing and calls for security when somebody much bigger than him assults him?

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You need to get out more. When you wave at someone like that when you're at the cage after you've just beat on 'em for awhile, and given how the banter went at the table, it's widely seen as insulting. This wasn't a 'hey bud, see ya next week' wave. The OP said much more than nothing to the person during the session. It's not just a simple 'funny' wave. Live and learn in these situations. It's one thing to do it at a table, fine, but once you've left, you are now taking it away from the table if you continue. In doing that, it's not suprising what the possible result was that happened. Seems the OP knows this as do most of the responders.

It's also kind of pussy to egg someone on like that, then run and hide behind security. It should've never got to that point in the first place.

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[magoo]

Sounds like both participants are weird.

[WhiskyRiver]

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I also don't think anyone else at the table perceived my actions prior to the incident as being an ahole. It was just that this one guy was having a bad session and I was the one who took a few of those pots off of him (All with hands that dominated him btw).

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This is where you're wrong. People like you never think that people don't like them, they think everyone thinks they're this fantastic class clown. Heads up. MOst of the table thought that you were a tool. And, JUDGED SOLELY ON THIS POST AND YOU'RE RESPONSES, you sound like one.

[GotRivered?]

Do what i do if a guy is being an [censored] and you take a big pot off of him just stack your chips so it looks like a big middle finger pointing right at him it gets everyone at the table on your side too

[TripleH68]

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I start talking back with "I'm sorry, I can't hear you while I'm stacking your chips" and "would you like a tissue to dry your tears."...I look back at the table and he is just staring me down with this "I'm going to kill you" look on his face. I'm still pretty annoyed so I give my best grin and wave to him like a little schoolgirl...this guy was at least twice my size.

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Death wish.

[bernie]

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Just to clarify, I was not trying to be an ahole at the table. I was also not trying to employ any strategy. I was having fun, and trying to liven the table up a little. I didn't mind dropping a hundred or so at the 3 6 table, so I was just trying to get the action up. I also don't think anyone else at the table perceived my actions prior to the incident as being an ahole.

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I understand that. I don't really have too much an issue with how you acted at the table. Many will, though. Do you ever think of the other players and how they may react? When you are winning, sure, it's all great fun.

But when you've been getting your ass kicked all night, or sitting and grinding to even for a few hours and now some yahoo comes on the table like that, people can get pissed. And yes, that's their problem and I'd say screw em too. However, there are repercussions to that that you have to be aware of. Players that are losing aren't exactly the most fun people to play with. Nor are they the types that you really want to openly show just what joy it is to beat the hell out of. Which they will take as mocking/taunting them. Yes, some players are more receptive to it, many/most aren't. They won't look past their own misery to realize the game just got better. They'll just see it as you kicking them while they're down.

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It was just that this one guy was having a bad session and I was the one who took a few of those pots off of him (All with hands that dominated him btw).

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What does it really matter if you took pots off him with 'hands that dominated him' over any other hands that you may have beaten him with? Is that supposed to be impressive? Congratulations?

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I'm not sure he realized that I had just gotten up from a very good session at a much higher stake and didn't really care about donking it up at the 3 6 game.

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btw...they meant to make a fanfare announcement when you sat at the table. You may want to ask the floor about this next time. This along with your cage b.s., your ego wrote a check that you just about had to find out if you had funds to cover.

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[Tony_P]

"I'm at the cage waiting to cash out, and I look back at the table and he is just staring me down with this "I'm going to kill you" look on his face. I'm still pretty annoyed so I give my best grin and wave to him like a little schoolgirl. This is when he gets up from the table and starts walking over. I tell the cage lady to get security but she just sits there. He comes over and grabs my neck and takes my sunglasses (which I had been wearing at the 3 6 table as a gag) and starts shoving me. At this point I am screaming for security and they finally come and break us up. I tell them he has my sunglasses and eventually he gives them back. "

Hahaha. I love you you antagonize the guy to build it up into something, and then when the guy finally has enough of your prickishness you turn into a big pussy.

1. You do not have the right to be a total dick head at the table just because it's a lower stakes game than you usually play.

2. You need to grow some balls.

[Tony_P]

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the poster basically said nothing until the guy just went nuts

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And taking into account that most people are usually extra-kind to themselves in the retelling...

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I wasn't being kind. I wrote verbatum (spelling?) what I said at the table. The only other comment I made to him was when he was making fun of my undergrad school (Tufts), I asked him where he graduated from to which there was no reply except another expletive.

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the more you reply the more i pity you. your father drops 200k to send you to Tufts and you come out with poor manners and the inability to spell words like "verbatim"

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Excellent post. You should post more.

[NinjaMan]

Also, when does "you just having fun" have to mean everyone else has to put up with it? We're all equals in this world, and I would appreciate you to stop acting like a jagoff.