$50 - Rate my hero fold w/ KK

[Manchild84]

Do I hate money here? This line absolutely screams AA.. the double min raise PF, then the PSB on flop..
Villain was 59/11/1.25 or something, and I anxiously await being flamed.

Ultimate Bet - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh))

SB: $51.25
Hero (BB): $65.40
UTG: $21.95
MP: $52.45
CO: $37.45
BTN: $46.30

Preflop: Hero is dealt http://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/cards/color/Kc.gif http://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/cards/color/Ks.gif (6 Players)
2 folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $1.00</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3.50</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $6.00</font>, Hero calls $2.50

Flop: ($12.25) http://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/cards/color/9h.gif http://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/cards/color/2d.gif http://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/cards/color/8s.gif (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $12.25</font>, Hero folds
Uncalled bet of $12.25 returned to CO

Pot Size: $12.25 ($0.60 Rake)

[C4LL4W4Y]

Yeah, you hate $.

[holdme]

stick it in and if he has aces gg

[Manchild84]

But seriously... what hand other than AA is a 59/11/1 player min 4 betting? This is AA 95% of the time

[creamfillin]

pushhhhhhhhhh PF,he doesn't even have a full stack

[C4LL4W4Y]

59/11? He really really likes JJ and QQ too, you know.

[Shoe Lace]

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59/11? He really really likes A9s/K9s too, you know.

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[creamfillin]

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59/11? He really really likes A9s/K9s too, you know.

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QFT

[Manchild84]

Not to Min 4 Bet... every single time I've seen that line from a fish, its been AA. Im clearly in the minority here though.

[ama0330]

This makes me sad.

[hunt1897]

If you are taking this line, why call reraise? Just curious to thinking here?

[BoozeHound]

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If you are taking this line, why call reraise? Just curious to thinking here?

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set value ftw

[Manchild84]

Well, I was thinking set value + way easier fold if an A flops.

[hunt1897]

Thank you, learning, what is the minimum his stack needs to be to make this call after reraise?

[Manchild84]

Hunt.. I wouldn't use this thread for learning, unless its for what not to do. There's a very good chance I effed it up.
You should be pushing this PF. Do as I say, not as I do.

[takingcontrol]

you're 1-7 to hit a set on the flop. this kind of action almost guarantees a stack most of the time if you hit it so... any bet around 1/8 of effective stacks plus the current pot seems ok in my book.

[infinite_loop]

Yeah, usually that means extreme strength. I don't think you can count on him having QQ enough. Probably a good fold unless he overvalues QQ/JJ.

[jessyj07]

meh i don't think it's that bad. even bad players get aces and he likely has aces here. but you know you're gonna get flamed for this because "ZOMG they're kings". well played, IMO.

[Gelford]

Grunch

You made me laugh /images/graemlins/smile.gif


WTF ??? ... if villian was 5/0.9/0.1 over 5451248 hands then maybe, but someone this loose ?

Geez, it may be AK, it may be QQ .. for the love of God, it may be TT, T9s or JTo for all it is worth.

If you don't want to 4bet preflop, then congratulate yourself on inducing a bluff from villian /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Manchild84]

Just when I was starting to feel good since 2 people agreed, Gelford comes in and ruins the party.
+EV at everything... including ruining parties.

[Waingro]

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But seriously... what hand other than AA is a 59/11/1 player min 4 betting?

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Two cards? I don´t think this guy has a solid grasp of what hands he should raise, fold or call with. I would push pf and expect to see real winners like QJo, A6o, J4s etc.

[Vyse]

I agree he likely has AA, but your only read are stats. Not good enough with KK.

[Gelford]

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Just when I was starting to feel good since 2 people agreed, Gelford comes in and ruins the party.
+EV at everything... including ruining parties.

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Nah ... you pretty well knew what was going to happen when posting this ... hehe

[corsakh]

Wow.

[Manchild84]

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Just when I was starting to feel good since 2 people agreed, Gelford comes in and ruins the party.
+EV at everything... including ruining parties.

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Nah ... you pretty well knew what was going to happen when posting this ... hehe

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Yeah, I knew exactly what was going to happen. But I stand by my read. Even though it was probably wrong. I guess I can further justify it by saying that:
E(Losses from losing to AA, then tilting for not trusting my read) &gt; E(Gains from beating AQo and other assorted crap, plus pat on back for making standard PF Push)
But that's just reaching.
You guys win. Next time I push without thinking twice. (But expect a bump to this thread when I lose)

[Spanky1974]

Regardless of what he has, 59/11/1.25 is betting 34s when you check the flop to him. I stack off PF to AA that play it excatly like this, but it isn't always aces. AK KK-JJ and sometimes random junk play it that way too.

[cooker3]

A tear came to my eye when I read this.
PUSH

[wildzer0]

I had to cut myself to stop the pain after reading that hand.

[Win.by.TKo]

1.5 AF is high enough for a r/r AI. AA 99 88 &amp; 22 &amp; 98 beat you. Would villain 3-bet with any of these hands other than AA. I would think that AA is the only solid possible holding in this line.

The c/f after flop w/ KK is peculiar. If you were planning a c/r here, follow thru &amp; call it down if your c/r is called. If that is reraised, then and only then should folding cross your mind.

[tms]

someone who plays 59% of their hands and has an AF of 1 is pretty aggresive/a maniac, /images/graemlins/frown.gif