Flushdraw + overcards multiway facing a 3bet

[corsakh]

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($61.55)
Button ($89.15)
SB ($47.70)
BB ($55.60)
UTG ($52.60)
MP ($50)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $1.75</font>, Hero calls $1.75, Button calls $1.75, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: ($6) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 3/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP bets $5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $17.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $87.4 (All-In)</font>, MP folds, Hero ???


Basically 42 into 87.
What do we do?

[OneBigRed]

His range is probably JJ+, Ahxh, and sets. I'd fold.

[VLV]

Anybody else just call flop bet?

[jessyj07]

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Anybody else just call flop bet?

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[payoff wizard]

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Anybody else just call flop bet?

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Yes, especially with another player behind. Many uNL players have a huge tendency to overplay draws forgetting that, at these stakes, their fold equity is not good. Call the flop for pot control.

As played, button likely has a big made hand and is protecting against a draw. Fold.

[ama0330]

I love to repop this preflop, but that's just me. As played you cant actually count on either of your overcards being live, so you have to fold. Calling the PSB is also bad because you won't get paid if you catch a heart, and if you catch a K or a Q you are still in trouble verus his range.

[Sweir]

I 3bet this pf, but calling isn't bad. As played raising the cbet seems standard, as does folding to the 3bet. I doubt all of your outs are clean.

[corsakh]

I know about 3bet, but I just 3bet twice in the last orbit so I did not feel like pushing it too far.

[Sweir]

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I know about 3bet, but I just 3bet twice in the last orbit so I did not feel like pushing it too far.

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Interesting. Personally I like to have a bad image (I play TAG) so unless people are playing back at me I think its good to get them thinking you 3bet a lot.

[corsakh]

Right, but then I prefer to tighten up when my image gets too much out of hand.

[ama0330]

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Right, but then I prefer to tighten up when my image gets too much out of hand.

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Its a pretty interesting spot preflop because even with your image as bad as it is you are probably ahead with KQs, given how light they will be playing back at you.

[corsakh]

Thats true, but this also means that

a) someone is not going to 4bet me preflop;
b) I will need to hit the flop in order to win the hand;

[Daniel LeClaire]

Preflop calling or 3betting are both fine plays. Obviously you should mix up what you do to balance your game.

On the flop I think a call is superior to a raise here.
1)You have position on MP. That's not a flop that likely helped him. He may shut down on the turn allowing you to bet or take a free card.
2)By calling you entice BU to call, increasing your pot odds.
3)If BU has a real hand you can fold without costing yourself as much money.

As played, you probably have 9 outs, and more than likely only 8. You aren't getting the odds you need. Don't cost yourself anymore money. Fold.

[Maneh]

Raise and call are both OK IMO;

Personallly, i preffer raise...

As played, its time to fold /images/graemlins/frown.gif