NL5?10? AJ flop two pair

[vixticator]

UTG is 58/30/1.8

My imagine here having been stacked a few times already, I am tilting quite hard and I'm pretty sure anyone paying attention knows it.

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.02/$0.05 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh))

Hero (SB): $10.00
BB: $12.04
UTG: $16.70
MP: $5.68
CO: $12.49
BTN: $7.35

Preflop: Hero is dealt J/images/graemlins/heart.gif A/images/graemlins/spade.gif (6 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $0.10</font>, MP folds, CO calls $0.10, BTN folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $0.55</font>, BB folds, UTG calls $0.45, CO folds

Flop: ($1.25) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif J/images/graemlins/spade.gif A/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $0.90</font>, UTG calls $0.90

Turn: ($3.05) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $2.20</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises to $6.75</font>, <font color="red">Hero shoves?</font>

[mugatu668]

yes

[mugatu668]

even though he has a 4

[wildzer0]

Yeah just shove.

[sirklas]

Nope! Easy fold IMO! Villian is deep stacked and wants to play for stacks. I wouldn`t put him here on AJ, AQ or AK. He might have 4x, JJ or AA. Most possible is A4 IMO. You have only 4 (app. 8 %) outs to improve to a FH and beat his trips, if he has 4x, without A4 (3 outs = app. 6 %) or J4 (3 outs = app. 6 %). His stats are showing weakness, but I guess even a donk would`t raise turn here without trips.

sirklas /images/graemlins/cool.gif

I would bet a little more on flop. Turn shove is fine. Nh

[shoxbb6]

Shove is good, everything else is good.

[wildzer0]

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Nope! Easy fold IMO! Villian is deep stacked and wants to play for stacks. I wouldn`t put him here on AJ, AQ or AK. He might have 4x, JJ or AA. Most possible is A4 IMO. You have only 4 (app. 8 %) outs to improve to a FH and beat his trips, if he has 4x, without A4 (3 outs = app. 6 %) or J4 (3 outs = app. 6 %). His stats are showing weakness, but I guess even a donk would`t raise turn here without trips.

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You are giving up so much value if you think like this. Seriously, villain is 58/30/1.8, to think he only does this with a full house is ridiculous.

[Bowlboy]

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Nope! Easy fold IMO! Villian is deep stacked and wants to play for stacks. I wouldn`t put him here on AJ, AQ or AK. He might have 4x, JJ or AA. Most possible is A4 IMO. You have only 4 (app. 8 %) outs to improve to a FH and beat his trips, if he has 4x, without A4 (3 outs = app. 6 %) or J4 (3 outs = app. 6 %). His stats are showing weakness, but I guess even a donk would`t raise turn here without trips.

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You are giving up so much value if you think like this. Seriously, villain is 58/30/1.8, to think he only does this with a full house is ridiculous.

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Word. I felt this all day against even some of the nittiest players at 5NL. The turn raise does'nt necessarily mean big strength at this level. A lot of players will do this with AT. They're morons so they do stupid things like slowplay TP. Too they're credit most people at 5NL don't know how to slow down and check on boards like this with QQ or KK. 'The guy just called the flop so I'll fire again cuz I have no clue what else to do.'

[sirklas]

Again, 4x is sooo obviously here. Villian has bad stats, thats ok. But do we know, for how much hands? Against a trip 4`s we are a app. 92 % underdog! So why should shoving here be good? He would never fold to a AIR with trip 4`s! This is -ev; no matter how bad his stats here. Too dangerous move, allthough this limit is kinda weak sometimes. If one considers not leaving this hand, the most I would do would be call...