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dueceman
06-27-2007, 12:17 PM
so i am supposed to fold this on the river? i mean calling 14 on the turn to see a flush draw? im suppossed to assume that by his river bet?

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh))

SB: $53.69
BB: $31.63
Hero (UTG): $58.02
MP: $20.16
CO: $69.71
BTN: $68.80

Preflop: Hero is dealt A/images/graemlins/spade.gif T/images/graemlins/spade.gif (6 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $2.00</font>, MP calls $2.00, CO folds, BTN calls $2.00, 2 folds

Flop: ($6.75) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $5.00</font>, MP calls $5.00, BTN calls $5.00

Turn: ($21.75) K/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $14.50</font>, MP calls all-in for $13.16, BTN calls $14.50

River: ($63.91) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 Players - 1 All-In)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $25.00</font>, Hero calls $25.00

Pot Size: $113.91 ($3 Rake)

mugatu668
06-27-2007, 12:18 PM
that's a really bad spot. any stats/reads?

dueceman
06-27-2007, 12:21 PM
no unfortunately had only been at the table for few orbits and had no previous stats..i mean did i not bet enough somewhere? or is this poorly played on any of the streets other than checking the river?

ama0330
06-27-2007, 12:21 PM
i really dont like your turn bet, you are too marginal to bet that turn 3 ways. tbh your flop bet is pretty marginal also which is why you should reconsider raising ATs UTG.

As played easy fold on the river.

wslee00
06-27-2007, 12:22 PM
he certainly ain't betting w/o at least a straight imo, esp w/ MP all-in.

dueceman
06-27-2007, 12:23 PM
is there a post on here that you can point me to that can help clear up pre flop play?

Wolfram
06-27-2007, 12:29 PM
River is an easy fold. Villain is betting into a dry sidepot, his bet size says "call me", and you beat absolutely nothing.

As for turn play, you pretty much have to decide whether you are ahead or not here and push. Villain is pwning you with position. He's getting sweat odds on his draw (about 3.4:1) because of the other villains call, so calling is standard for him. Only way for it to be a mistake is if you don't pay off on the river.

I think I probably check the turn facing 2 opponents, but if not I just push it in.

wslee00
06-27-2007, 12:33 PM
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is there a post on here that you can point me to that can help clear up pre flop play?

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what's wrong w/ your pf play? looks fine to me

skiller3
06-27-2007, 12:35 PM
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tbh your flop bet is pretty marginal also which is why you should reconsider raising ATs UTG.


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I think folding ATs UTG in 6max is a bit nitty.

Wolfram
06-27-2007, 12:36 PM
pf is fine. Just gotta play carefully when you get 2+ callers in position.

ras52
06-27-2007, 12:40 PM
BTN is getting 3.4-to-1 to call the turn, so he probably thinks that with implied odds he'll make a profit if he hits. A pot-sized bet on the turn may have put him off, although of course you'd still have MP calling. However, on the turn a straight draw has hit, so you might want to keep the pot small instead - if it's checked around on the turn you wouldn't be facing such a large bet on the river.

monkover
06-27-2007, 12:42 PM
dude you missplayed the hand on every single street... preflop is a fold, the flop marginal at best the turn really bad and the river is an easy fold.

Spurious
06-27-2007, 12:43 PM
I'd like a PSB on the flop. You want them to pay as much money as possible...
PSB on the Turn again.

But your position just sucks..
He might think your check is weakness...
Btw the diamond T was the worst card in the deck !!!
I'd fold that river, you got TP but your kicker is behind against AK,AQ,AJ.. If he has a Q he got you, if he has a flush he got you.

The only thing you can beat here is a BLUFF !!!!
And he isn't bluffing. One player is all-in, therefore you have to treat it like an overcall...

--&gt; FOLD

dueceman
06-27-2007, 12:45 PM
thanks for all the responses and advice..

Wolfram
06-27-2007, 01:22 PM
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dude you missplayed the hand on every single street...

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no

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preflop is a fold

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no

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the flop marginal at best

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no

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the turn really bad

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maybe marginally bad, but never really bad.

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and the river is an easy fold.

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yes