25NL - River Flush, Facing Overbet

[calmB4storm]

I only played a few orbits with Villain, so I didn't have any real reads yet.
Thoughts on all streets please, but especially the river.
Does he have the straight, trips, or two pair often enough for me call? Or is this a pretty obvious flush?

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Hold'em Cash Game
$0.10/$0.25 Blinds
6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh))

Hero (SB): $25.10
BB: $32.85
UTG: $30.75
MP: $92.60
CO: $40.50
BTN: $24.55

Preflop: Hero is dealt 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (6 Players)
UTG folds, MP calls $0.25, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.15, BB checks

Flop: ($0.75) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $0.75</font>, BB folds, MP calls $0.75

Turn: ($2.25) T/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">MP bets $1.25</font>, Hero calls $1.25

River: ($4.75) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $4.00</font>, <font color="red">MP raises to $44.00</font>, Hero calls all-in for $18.85
Uncalled bet of $21.15 returned to MP

Pot Size: $50.45 ($2.50 Rake)

[Lego05]

That's not that big an overbet....it's a little more than pot size. It doesn't matter that he raised to $44...you only have 18.85 so the raise was for that much.

[jessyj07]

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That's not that big an overbet....it's a little more than pot size. It doesn't matter that he raised to $44...you only have 18.85 so the raise was for that much.

[/ QUOTE ]awesome analysis, nit.

i'd fold here and probably quickly, he knows what you have after calling a 1/3 pot bet and then donking the river for near pot.

[calmB4storm]

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That's not that big an overbet....it's a little more than pot size. It doesn't matter that he raised to $44...you only have 18.85 so the raise was for that much.

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OK fixed it nit!
Now that my thread is hopefully up to your standards, care to offer any advice on the hand itself?

[Lego05]

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That's not that big an overbet....it's a little more than pot size. It doesn't matter that he raised to $44...you only have 18.85 so the raise was for that much.

[/ QUOTE ]awesome analysis, nit.

i'd fold here and probably quickly, he knows what you have after calling a 1/3 pot bet and then donking the river for near pot.

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Well I thought he was basing his fold decision largely on the fact that the guy raised a $4 bet to $44 so I was pointing it out. I don't see why your sarcastic response to what i said was necessary. As far as I think I'd call...and the only hands I think he could have that beat us are QJ and TJ...and I think most players would do this with a lot of J's, and maybe 98 or K9 or less likely but maybe AK.

[Lego05]

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That's not that big an overbet....it's a little more than pot size. It doesn't matter that he raised to $44...you only have 18.85 so the raise was for that much.

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OK fixed it nit!
Now that my thread is hopefully up to your standards, care to offer any advice on the hand itself?

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Gee....did someone spend an hour kicking you guys in the balls today or something. What's with the lashing out.

[calmB4storm]

Haha sorry, rough session tonight I guess.
4 buy-ins in an hour can sometimes feel like a kick in the balls. /images/graemlins/grin.gif
Yeah you made a valid point, raise was essentially to ~$23.00, although that is close to twice the pot.

[Emperor Norton]

You seem to be leaving out all of the ace- and king-high flush draws in his range. This is a limped pot, remember, and we really can't narrow his range much at all.

[Knuckles]

I am going to fold this against an unknown opponent. We are behind higher flushed, QJ, JT, 22, Ad?d. I don't see enough hands that we are ahead of here.

[Lego05]

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You seem to be leaving out all of the ace- and king-high flush draws in his range. This is a limped pot, remember, and we really can't narrow his range much at all.

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I guess I wouldn't really expect most people to bet turn with a flush draw rather than check behind and take a free card.

[sailorman]

Bet/fold the river.

[Knuckles]

Betting the turn is a great semi-bluff. One of the draws came in, it disguise your flush draw, it builds the pot, and if you have been cbetting a lot there is chance you don't have anything.