25NL - 50 NL Making the move, is it the right time?

[dimeetrees]

So, my account is at $819, I started with $250 and ran it up at 25nl. Im wondering whether this is the right time to be taking shots at 50NL or whether I should keep playing 25NL till 20k hands and prove myself a consistent winner. Also when would be a good time to move back down and grind up and things dont go my way?

Ive read the move up guide written that said you should play 20k hands at each level and move up if you are happy with your win rate.

My graph and stats below, advice appreciated.

I have a lot of experience with poker, have been playing since Dec. 05 but never really committed to 4tabling and building a bankroll. I decided to start in the beginning of this month, and I feel like I got to where I wanted to be quicker than I wanted due to a good run vs. a maniac recently. Probably have about 80-100k hands of experience live/online so far.



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[fees]

I would wait if I was you

[bsheck]

I think it really depends on how much the $819 in your account means to you. If you can afford to lose a decent chunk of it, take a shot. You can always drop back down again if you lose a few buyins.

[whyherro]

i mean youve got 16 buyins for 50NL, i would definitely start taking some shots and just move down if you take an uncomfortable hit. rinse and repeat.

[ocdscale]

What's with the +$400 jump near the end?
If that's just an error in the graph, I would begin mixing in some 50NL (one table to begin with) until you are comfortable there, bankroll is fine, but be willing to give up on 50NL for now if you ever drop below ~650.

[Miyogi]

If you want to then give it a shot. Set a max that you are willing to lose and if you lose that much then move back down. Or, play 3 tables of NL25 and one of NL50 focusing a little more on that one.

[wslee00]

well, logistically, you should definitely start taking shots, mentally you may be a little hesitant, but hell,
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just do it

[thedopplegangers]

do u really think 8 buyins is enough to play 50nl. if you run into any variance it could really hurt your br.

[wslee00]

um - he has 16 buy-ins

[calmB4storm]

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do u really think 8 buyins is enough to play 50nl. if you run into any variance it could really hurt your br.

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Go back to first grade please. DUCY?

[thedopplegangers]

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do u really think 16 buyins is enough to play 50nl. if you run into any variance it could really hurt your br.

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FMYP

[ReNoRyan]

I would keep playing 25nl as your main game. Just take random shots at 50nl when you feel comfortable. No one will be able to tell you if you are ready or not, its all up to you. Just make sure youu post hand that give you trouble and dont be ashamed to move down if it doesn't go so well.

[sebbb]

what I did a few months back is keep on playing until I had 17k hands and $1100 before moving up to 50NL. I recommend doing something similar.

[Spanky1974]

From personal experience, I would say that you don't have a big enough bankroll to take a shot at $50NL. If you played a couple hours a day multi-tabling, you whole sample size would be from a week of playing. Get more experience, and more moolahs before taking a shot. You seriously could lose your whole bankroll if you run bad.
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k173/basskingjr/FR.jpg

[yntm3]

That [censored] is nasty.

[Lego05]

Spanky you are calling too much preflop, not raising enough, and not stealing blinds often enough. And your Won$WSFis really low....could just be running bad, but I bet it's cause you are calling pre-flop and folding the flop so much instead of raising pre-flop and betting the flop.

Edit: Actually it looks like you may be playing FR and I was talking about 6max. At least some of what I said probably applies to FR too, but I'm not sure how much.

[creamfillin]

spank, you need to get that PFR% up, that's too exploitable; even against donks

[bozzer]

I took a ~3bi shot at $50 with an $850 BR. It lasted a very swingy 13k hands (ZOMG), but I've had to drop back to $25nl.

It's very tempting to continue at $50, and very frustrating to drop back down, but if you take shots like this (which does seem to be the optimal way to build your BR asap), you have to be disciplined in dropping back.

[ShipitFMA]

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That [censored] is BANANAS.....B A N A N A S

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Personally i'd wait, but you started 25nl with 10 buyins...so you should probably take a 3 buyin shot at 50nl

Gl

[relativity_x]

I've been playing some 50 NL lately. With 8xx, you really shouldn't make it your main game. I'd recommend 2 tabling them, so you can focus better. Also, make sure you don't try any FPS when you're up there, just stick to your regular game.

[TheSalche]

Erm I gotta be honest, there isn't much difference in play between 25 and 50NL, I'd suggest playing half and half right now till your roll is over $1000 and you're feeling comfortable. If you drop down to say $650 or $700 then you may want to keep grinding at 25NL for a bit longer.

[ama0330]

just take a one buyin shot and see how it feels to you. play a couple of hundred hands and see what happens. it never made any sense to me these guys who are like "I TOOK A SHOT AT XX LEVEL AND LOST 15 BI", like move down again obv

moving up is gradual. play some hands there, see what happens, then move back down. if you do really well, then you might not need to move back down again.

just do it man. if you are prepared to step back down when things dont go well then you should be able to play it no problem.

[monkover]

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do u really think 8 buyins is enough to play 50nl. if you run into any variance it could really hurt your br.

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Go back to first grade please. DUCY?

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lol 8*50=400 and 400 is not the same as 825$ ducy?
i wouldn´t take a shot jet. when i started playing online i moved up way too quickly for my playing abilities. and you roll isn´t big enough yet (I´m a br nit) and imo you haven´t proved to be a consistent winner.

[DrazzicEhv]

topic starter: how did you create the last graph?

I guess you can take a shot at 50NL and see how it feels. If you lose you can go back and start over.

[dimeetrees]

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topic starter: how did you create the last graph?

I guess you can take a shot at 50NL and see how it feels. If you lose you can go back and start over.

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Last graph was from poker grapher. And no that last spike is NOT an error.

[bozzer]

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topic starter: how did you create the last graph?

I guess you can take a shot at 50NL and see how it feels. If you lose you can go back and start over.

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Last graph was from poker grapher. And no that last spike is NOT an error.

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that looks like one hand to me which is insane. please post!

[digit]

I recently moved from 25NL to 50NL. I waited until I built my bankroll to $1100 before I started taking shots at 50NL. I dont think the standard of player is much different at 50NL from 25NL. I play ABC poker at both levels and while there are tons of better players than me playing these levels, there are enough poor players to keep me ahead.

EDIT: The hardest thing about moving up I found to be was having to pay more to enter pots/raise/call etc. I found myself freezing in certain situations because the price of playing was higher than usual...there is a good article about this here.... http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=microplnl&Number=7392389

[dimeetrees]

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topic starter: how did you create the last graph?

I guess you can take a shot at 50NL and see how it feels. If you lose you can go back and start over.

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Last graph was from poker grapher. And no that last spike is NOT an error.

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that looks like one hand to me which is insane. please post!

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Absolute Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) Hand History converter (http://www.learnhowtoplaypokerfree.com/convert/convert.cgi) Courtesy of PokerZion.com (http://PokerZion.com)

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

Button ($9.15)
<font color="#C00000">SB ($309.52)</font>
BB ($48.25)
UTG ($38.45)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($111.95)</font>

Preflop: Hero is MP with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls $0.25, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.75</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $309.52 (All-In)</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG folds, Hero calls $110.20 (All-In).

Flop: ($421.97) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Turn: ($421.97) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

River: ($421.97) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $421.97
<font color="#009B00">Main Pot: $224.40, between SB and Hero.</font> &gt; <font color="#FFFFFF">Pot won by Hero ($224.40).</font>
<font color="#009B00">Pot 2: $197.57, returned to SB.</font>

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
SB has Kc Ah (two pair, sixes and fours).
Hero has Ac Ad (two pair, aces and sixes).
Outcome: Hero wins $224.40. SB wins $197.57. </font>

And this is on the next exact hand. Mind you I had to give this guy a lot of action to set him up for this, I was down about 220 before bouncing back up and taking his stack.

Absolute Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) Hand History converter (http://www.learnhowtoplaypokerfree.com/convert/convert.cgi) Courtesy of PokerZion.com (http://PokerZion.com)

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

<font color="#C00000">Button ($197.57)</font>
SB ($48)
BB ($38.20)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($221.40)</font>
MP ($9.15)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
Hero calls $0.25, MP calls $0.25, Button calls $0.25, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($1.25) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $5</font>, SB folds, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $20</font>, MP folds, Button calls $15.

Turn: ($41.25) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero calls $201.15 (All-In), Button calls $177.32 (All-In).

River: ($419.72) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $419.72
<font color="#009B00">Main Pot: $395.89, between Button and Hero.</font> &gt; <font color="#FFFFFF">Pot won by Hero ($395.89).</font>
<font color="#009B00">Pot 2: $23.83, returned to Hero.</font>

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Button has Ac 2h (one pair, aces).
Hero has Ah Ad (three of a kind, aces).
Outcome: Hero wins $419.72. </font>

[C4LL4W4Y]

oh. my. god.

[bozzer]

sick! that was definitely worthwhile. serial microbrew HH posters take note.

[bboy_]

seeing as 75% of your overall profit came from exactly two hands, i would stick at 25 for a while

both are sick sick hands though :]

[bluffbetter]

Can you buy in for 200 BB on Absolute or did you just win some big pots before?

[relativity_x]

you can buy-in for 200 on AP

[bluffbetter]

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you can buy-in for 200 on AP

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So are there less really short stacks at the tables?

[sputum]

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spank, you need to get that PFR% up, that's too exploitable; even against donks

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wtf?
OP I would give NL25 a few more hands personally and get to at least 1k. But it's your bankroll and your call. If you feel a (say) $100 loss is not a tragedy then there's not a lot of downside to taking a shot and the upside could be worth a lot (compounded over your poker career, obv /images/graemlins/grin.gif)