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relativity_x
06-26-2007, 09:10 AM
villain is 24/12/2 over 100 hands or so.

Villain (utg)(27)
Btn (22)
Hero (sb) (52)

Hero dealt A /images/graemlins/diamond.gif Q /images/graemlins/diamond.gif

Preflop (.35):
<font color="brown"> Villain bets 0.75 </font>, <font color="gray">2 folds</font>, BTN calls 0.75, <font color="gray"> 1 fold </font>, <font color="brown"> Hero raises to 3.25</font>, Villain calls, <font color="gray">BTN folds</font>

I raise here because I'm out OOP and villain's range is any suited connector JTs+, ATs+, 22+.

Flop(7.60): 7 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif 9 /images/graemlins/spade.gif T /images/graemlins/diamond.gif
<font color="brown"> Hero raises 4</font>, <font color="brown"> Villain raises 7 to 11</font>, Hero ????

I know I can check the flop, but that's super weak and a continuation bet gives me way more information about his hand (i.e. he folds any over cards, so if he calls I know he's on a draw hit the flop).

Gullanian
06-26-2007, 09:42 AM
I move all in here. If both your overcards are good then it's 50/50. You also get a bit of fold equity and you are already priced into the pot.

TeNDoLLA
06-26-2007, 09:48 AM
But why get all in if it is 50/50 and villain has showen some strenght? And also there is many hands that beats you even if you hit your overcards.

Gullanian
06-26-2007, 09:50 AM
If it is 50/50, you should push because from that moment you are getting a better than 2:1 payout.

C4LL4W4Y
06-26-2007, 09:51 AM
The way the hand has played out, it looks like a shove. Though preflop is one of the few times I consider just calling with AQs out of the blinds - I think UTG's range is tighter than what you gave him, if he's playing 24/12 He's probably only raising 5-6% UTG.

relativity_x
06-26-2007, 09:51 AM
I pushed here, and I believe there's really no other move. I have very little to no FE here, which is why I think it's so damn tough of a spot. Can anyone fold this, and I don't even need to ask if you flat call?

relativity_x
06-26-2007, 09:54 AM
Generally, I'd say you're right, but I saw him raise qjs utg. I had a pretty solid read on this villain.

The real information came from his re-raise. I knew he either had jj+/ a set/ AT/ JKdd which gives him a monster draw too assuming he doens't know I have the nut draw.

edit: Also, I believe that not raising AQs from the sb with an utg raiser/btn caller is a leak. You don't want to play AQs OOP against two other opponents. I might call if he was the only one in the pot, and I was in the bb.

C4LL4W4Y
06-26-2007, 09:58 AM
Yeah then I'd 3b it, probably. I think flop is pretty close actually, between folding and shoving.

C4LL4W4Y
06-26-2007, 10:00 AM
Eh it's a leak against most opponents. Some guys have ranges that crush you UTG, but they are pretty rare.

relativity_x
06-26-2007, 10:07 AM
I'm talking about this villain. I wouldn't 3b a 12/8 guy.

whyherro
06-26-2007, 10:35 AM
certainly no problem with the squeeze pf - probably just get it in on the flop. nh.

Vyse
06-26-2007, 10:40 AM
PF 3bet is too big, and a significant reason you can't get away from this hand.

relativity_x
06-26-2007, 10:47 AM
i'm offering 2:1 on it? I generally try to offer this on a 3b. What should I offer on a 3b?

Vyse
06-26-2007, 10:51 AM
3.5x original raise has worked perfectly for me

C4LL4W4Y
06-26-2007, 10:53 AM
Vyse you see that button cold-called, right?

Vyse
06-26-2007, 10:56 AM
Nope. Nevermind.

ReptileHouse
06-27-2007, 03:16 PM
Pushing the flop is perfect, as is the pre-flop 3bet.

Well played.

dimeetrees
06-27-2007, 03:23 PM
AI

wslee00
06-27-2007, 03:27 PM
wouldn't play it any other way...

also, the converter your using sucks: no stack sizes, and doesn't show all players in the hand