Hands to 3bet 50/25 or 22/11 villain

[Alexpoker]

Hi,

I 3bet preflop a 22/11 villain with AA, KK and AK.

But with what range do you 3bet a 50/25 villain ??

NB: I play 50NL

[Lego05]

This will be so situation dependent especially regarding position (and when villian is CO or button his % to steal blinds then also comes into play).

But I can tell you that I'm 3betting much wider than you are.

[ciro bonano]

Okay, I'll make some more specific examples. I don't know if they are specific/interesting enough but I have to go to work /images/graemlins/smile.gif.

Your image is always TAG, you have been folding to his raises. Villains are average post-flop, Hero is better but not god-like either. All raises are the usual 'bet pot' raises.
UTG in the first three hands is a 35/4/1 fish.

Hand 1: Villain is 25/12, att steal blind at 40%, UTG calls, Villain raises from button, SB folds and you (BB)...

Hand 2: Villain is 50/25, att steal blind at 50%, UTG calls, Villain raises from button, SB folds and you (BB)...

Hand 3: Villain is 35/5, att steal blind at 10%, UTG calls, Villain raises from button, SB folds and you (BB)...

Hand 4: Villain is 25/12, att steal blind at 40%, Villain openraises from CO, you (button)...

Hand 5: Villain is 50/25, att steal blind at 50%, Villain openraises from CO, you (button)...

Hand 6: Villain is 35/5, att steal blind at 10%, Villain openraises from CO, you (button)...

[Lego05]

Things vary a little based on how I feel and table dynamics meaning what has been happening recently.


Hnad 1: AJ+, maybe sometimes ATs, TT+, maybe sometimes 99, maybe sometimes KQs, sometimes suited connectors and suited 1 gappers.

Hand 2: Pretty much the same as hand 1.

Hand 3: AQ+,TT+; sometimes maybe just call or fold AQ; sometimes just call TT.

Hand 4: Really depends how often I think he is to fold to 3bet. Against a more TAGish opponent like 17/14 I like to 3bet a very wide range at least until they start to adjust (I've 3bet Q7o and worse in this spot before). Assuming villian doesn't start off calling 3bets light in this example maybe something like: any ace, any pair is possible (def. 99+) KQ, KJs, suited connectors, suited 1 gappers, maybe more.

Hand 5: Similar to hand 4 but less. This villian prolly won't fold to as many 3bets. I prolly won't be raising something like KJ and could just be calling with suited connectors and pairs expecting to be able to extract a lot post-flop if I hit.

Hand 6: TT+, AJ+, maybe ATs sometimes

[ama0330]

Light 3betting against morons isn't a very good idea, because they'll call you too much preflop and wont fold enough postflop. Plus, the increased pot size will make cbetting/bluffing expensive when it fails.

Against true morons I basically 3bet QQ+/AK i.e. I 3bet for value. My typical 3bet range versus tags is very wide and is a SUPER SECRET!!

[Lego05]

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Light 3betting against morons isn't a very good idea, because they'll call you too much preflop and wont fold enough postflop. Plus, the increased pot size will make cbetting/bluffing expensive when it fails.

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I should note I agree with this. I just listed hands that I may 3bet...not that I'm 3betting them all against the players listed every single time especially if they don't fold often.


Against good TAGS though who steal a lot and are positionally aware I'm 3betting a lot of that range a lot more often.

[dimeetrees]

[ QUOTE ]
Light 3betting against morons isn't a very good idea, because they'll call you too much preflop and wont fold enough postflop. Plus, the increased pot size will make cbetting/bluffing expensive when it fails.

Against true morons I basically 3bet QQ+/AK i.e. I 3bet for value. My typical 3bet range versus tags is very wide and is a SUPER SECRET!!

[/ QUOTE ] mmmmmm, 3bet range vs. tags...sounds like i can get creative in this spot... nice tip.

[Alexpoker]

Strange.

It seems you 3bet more against a 20/10 that again a 50/25 !!

What about this reasoning :

- as a 50/25 villain raises with the 25 % best hands, you should 3bet him with a wide range (let's say 12 % best hand).

- as a 25/12 villain raises with a tight range, you should 3bet him with a tight range (let's say 6% best hands).

It seems the opposite of what you do. Comment ?????????????

[Spanky1974]

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Strange.

It seems you 3bet more against a 20/10 that again a 50/25 !!

What about this reasoning :

- as a 50/25 villain raises with the 25 % best hands, you should 3bet him with a wide range (let's say 12 % best hand).

- as a 25/12 villain raises with a tight range, you should 3bet him with a tight range (let's say 6% best hands).

It seems the opposite of what you do. Comment ?????????????

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Here's what happens when I 3bet 50/35 LAGs:

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players -

SB: $54.25
Hero (BB): $49.00
UTG: $50.50
MP: $57.05
CO: $54.20
BTN: $193.55

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (6 Players)
3 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $2.00</font>, SB folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $6.00</font>, BTN calls $4.00

Flop: ($12.25) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif T/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $7.00</font>, BTN calls $7.00

Turn: ($26.25) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets all-in for $36.00</font>, BTN calls $36.00

River: ($98.25) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 Players - 1 All-In)

Pot Size: $98.25 ($3 Rake)

BTN had 4/images/graemlins/club.gif 7/images/graemlins/club.gif (two pair, Sixes and Fours) and WON (+$46.25)
Hero had Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (a pair of Sixes) and LOST (-$49.00)

Against a 20/10 you have some fold equity.

[Lego05]

Basically yea the fold equity and a number of people who raise 12-16% are positionally aware and raise a lot more on CO and button and most of my 3bets are when they raise from that position.