QTs MP = too loose?

[Restlys]

Im very much unsure about this hand, considering my position, was it too loose to play?(1) I did not have any reads on anyone at the table, but would there have been any good spots to bluff? and, could you comment on the size of my final bet? too small/ how much it should have been and why?

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Button ($8.60)
SB ($20.20)
BB ($20.30)
UTG ($10.10)
Hero ($10.25)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $0.4</font>, Button calls $0.40, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls $0.30.

Flop: ($1.25) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: ($1.25) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

River: ($1.25) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $0.2</font>, Button folds, BB folds.

Final Pot: $1.45

[Knuckles]

Without a read I would fold, but I am a nit. But if you are going to play this hand you need to play it for a raise. On the flop you need to make a continuation bet. cbets mean money.

[Restlys]

I thought cbetting was only to be done when the hero had position? ( in this case i do not)

[jessyj07]

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I thought cbetting was only to be done when the hero had position? ( in this case i do not)

[/ QUOTE ]it's not only to be done in position but in this spot I wouldn't c-bet and I would never ever fold or call this hand preflop.

[Restlys]

so youd raise pf..?

[jessyj07]

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so youd raise pf..?

[/ QUOTE ]yes.

[Knuckles]

If I raise pre-flop I am cbetting 96.9% of the time regardless of position. Most of the time opponents just fold and it disguise the times that I have a real hand forcing people to pay me off. Also you want to keep up the pressure on your opponents and not give them free cards.

[Knuckles]

Why aren't you making a continuation bet here?

[Restlys]

well, my line of thought revolves around me not having position and villains high prob of playing K, or aces for that matter. So usually,up until the next session i will play and try to adjust what i think Cbetting is, i would Cbet only if i had position on the villain and the villain would check or min raise, or weird raise depending.

[jessyj07]

this flop sucks. the chances you get floated by at the very least a gutshot are very good. just about the only hands people fold here are JQ/JT/J9/A2-A6 and people may even float with ace high.

[vixticator]

I don't like to c-bet 3-handed without some kind of draw (unless I have a PP). I'd bet a lot of turns if it were checked to me, not this one. River bet about 0.8 and obv fold to raise.

[Restlys]

this is not 3 handed though...

[vixticator]

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this is not 3 handed though...

[/ QUOTE ]Er, I mean when two people go to flop with me in middle. If we are the button I can see c-betting sometimes but I still think seeing a turn is good because you have a lot of backdoor draws.

[Knuckles]

Maybe I am cbetting to much on the flop on then, but the majority of the time I bet out people fold. If we are only betting out when we hit something our play becomes pretty obvious to even the least observant players. If you are not going to cbet this hand, I would probably fold pre-flop.

[Restlys]

You mean your PF hand range is dependant on your intention of cbetting the flop?

[jessyj07]

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If you are not going to cbet this hand, I would probably fold pre-flop.

[/ QUOTE ]that is bad thinking. you don't know how many people are going to see the flop and you don't know what the flop will bring. These are 2 very important factors after already raising preflop.

[Rollos]

wtf bet that flop. You take it down like &gt;%70 of the time.

[Knuckles]

QTs is a dominated hand and I want to force decision on to my opponents at all times. If you only bet when you hit part of your hand, you might as well turn it face up for your opponents. I want people to be folding small pocket pairs because they believe I have a king. I am always looking to put pressure on my opponents when it is cheap to do so.

[Lego05]

You are on the CO. Pre-flop raise looks fine.

And that looks like a pretty good board to c-bet on to me: One big card on a rainbow flop.

[Buckeye81]

Preflop is fine.

I continuation bet this flop almost 100% of the time hu. Since you are 3-handed, I would c-bet a much smaller frequency of the time because the greater number of players in the hand increases the likelihood that someone caught a piece of the flop. As a general rule don't be afraid to c-bet the flop whether you are in or out of position when HU.

Turn play is fine.

As for the river, you need to bet more, say $.80-$1.00 and pray that villian pays you off with a 6-type hand. It looks like there wasn't much value to be extracted and you can find much better spots to "bluff".

[semu]

You raised pre-flop and the flop was kinda dry. You were in MP and BB checked to you. I think this is a good spot to make a continuation bet.

[Bonesy]

PF raise standard.

CB is just fine here. The board is quite dry and most donks at this level cold call ace-rag preflop, not king-rag. I cb this flop close to 100% of the time.

Position shouldn't have too much to do with why you would cb as you have nothing here and are simply hoping to take it down. Just shut down when called.

[Vyse]

cbetting is horrendous here since it's three people in the pot and you have air. And you're in the CO, not MP.

[matrix]

QTs is a raise from MP here (tho its at the bottom end of the range)

CB the flop - this is a great texture of flop to be continuation betting. One high value card and two small cards.

It hits so few of the hands villain calls preflop with so a CB here wins a high % of the time.

A CB is just where you "continue your betting" you started preflop with a followup bet on the flop.

i.e. when you are the preflop raiser if you bet the flop you have just made a CB.

As a rough idea you should CB ~80% or so of the time HU a little less often 3 way and rarely with more than two villains.