25NL - AA OOP

[calmB4storm]

<font color="blue">Read:</font> Villain seemed decent.
I'm not quite sure about my line here.
Should I raise more preflop, up to $5.00 maybe?
And what about my flop play? By making an almost pot-sized bet, I'm pretty much committing my entire <font color="green">stack</font>, no? Is that what I want to do here?


Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Hold'em Cash Game
$0.10/$0.25 Blinds
6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh))

Hero (SB): $26.25
BB: $49.00
UTG: $25.10
MP: $25.00
CO: $24.15
BTN: $24.65

Preflop: Hero is dealt A/images/graemlins/heart.gif A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (6 Players)
3 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $1.25</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $4.00</font>, BB folds, BTN calls $2.75

Flop: ($8.25) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $7.50</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $15.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises all-in to $22.25</font>, BTN calls all-in for $5.65
Uncalled bet of $1.60 returned to Hero

Turn: ($49.55) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 Players - 2 All-In)

River: ($49.55) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 Players - 2 All-In)

Pot Size: $49.55 ($2.45 Rake)

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Preflop I probably raise a little higher because we're OOP but $4 is good.
Definitely cbet this flop, I'm worried after he min-raises, but I don't think we can fold here.
Sucks if he hit his set but there's not much we can do here.

[Vyse]

fine.

No idea why people advocate 3betting more OOP, just ties you to the pot.

[vixticator]

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No idea why people advocate 3betting more OOP, just ties you to the pot.

[/ QUOTE ]Being tied to the pot with AA is bad... because? You should 3-bet more for value.

[Vyse]

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No idea why people advocate 3betting more OOP, just ties you to the pot.

[/ QUOTE ]Being tied to the pot with AA is bad... because? You should 3-bet more for value.

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Changing your betting pattersn based on what you hold is... bad?

[creamfillin]

nh

[calmB4storm]

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fine.

No idea why people advocate 3betting more OOP, just ties you to the pot.

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I thought it was mainly advocated to gain greater fold equity with more marginal hands, since you'd rather take it down preflop than play OOP. And then when you do have solid hands like this, you can get more value.

[Vyse]

So by that logic, why wouldn't you bet more no matter what position you're in?

[vixticator]

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I thought it was mainly advocated to gain greater fold equity with more marginal hands, since you'd rather take it down preflop than play OOP. And then when you do have solid hands like this, you can get more value.

[/ QUOTE ]That's what I was about to say. Also you are first to act in a 3-bet pot with you in the lead, c-bet should take it down ALOT. 5&gt;4. There's nothing wrong with $4, I just go more.

[vixticator]

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So by that logic, why wouldn't you bet more no matter what position you're in?

[/ QUOTE ]You don't.

[FUstaRS]

Standard. Never fold this.

[calmB4storm]

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So by that logic, why wouldn't you bet more no matter what position you're in?

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Because you're at a disadvantage OOP on the flop and beyond, whereas in position you are actually at an advantage.

[vixticator]

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Because you're at a disadvantage OOP on the flop and beyond, whereas in position you are actually at an advantage.

[/ QUOTE ]Yeah, but you don't want to play bigger pots OOP. In position it's even better to 3-bet higher. Meh, this discussion is kind of silly because $4 here is actually a decent amount and I'm kind of arguing over 2-4bb more.

[Vyse]

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So by that logic, why wouldn't you bet more no matter what position you're in?

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Because you're at a disadvantage OOP on the flop and beyond, whereas in position you are actually at an advantage.

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... Which furthers the argument for betting MORE in position? This logic sounds ass backwards; you're at a disadvantage OOP, so you want to invest MORE money and bloat the pot further more so on ensuing streets you're offered irresistable odds and can't get away from the pot without having a good idea of where you stand because you're OOP? But in position you want to bet less? Both sound foolish and I've yet to see any logic behind this common stance. Indulge me.

And why is it even assumed that adding a BB -- how much are you supposed to be adding, anyway? -- to a raise/3bet OOP gets you more fold equity? What's the math for this?

[calmB4storm]

You're right, that doesn't really makes sense now that I think about it. I just knew it was the "common wisdom" and was trying to defend it. Anyone else? Help!