NL25 - Obvious fold for TPTK?

[greggg230]

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh))

SB: $34.65
BB: $25.35
UTG: $31.40
Hero (MP): $37.40
CO: $8.30
BTN: $23.65

Preflop: Hero is dealt K/images/graemlins/spade.gif A/images/graemlins/heart.gif (6 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1.00</font>, 3 folds, BB calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.10) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 5/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $1.50</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $5.00</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $15.50</font>, Hero folds

Pot Size: $22.60 ($0.60 Rake)

Any other way to play this?

[mugatu668]

do you have any reads / PT stats/

[mugatu668]

but yeah, fold

[greggg230]

No PT unfortunately. As soon as my bankroll expands some...

[Vyse]

The fold is simple enough since this is a set a large portion of the time or a big combo draw, and his betsizing helps you come to that conclusion. But you've been at the table for a while, I assume, since you have a half a BI... And no reads?

[BevillTheDevil]

reads would help out A LOT. But only thing we are behind is 22/55 that makes any since. Unknown villian could be doin this with like K9+ IMO plus there are draws out there...Im probably pushin this flop.

[losingdonkey]

NH

[Vyse]

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Unknown villian could be doin this with like K9+ IMO plus there are draws out there...Im probably pushin this flop.

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You think an unknown villain's calling range to a push is K9+?

[BevillTheDevil]

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Unknown villian could be doin this with like K9+ IMO plus there are draws out there...Im probably pushin this flop.

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You think an unknown villain's calling range to a push is K9+?

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meh...IMO here your gona see a weaker Kx hand or a wack ass draw more often than a set. Maybe my idea of unknown 25NL is more donk like than yours??

[Vyse]

The only info we have here is how villain played the hand. He donked the flop for 3/4 pot, saw Hero raise the pot, and 3bet over THAT for 3x his raise. The betsizes + actions indicate a monster, and I think pushing just turns TPTK into a bluff. Villain's giving us implications he's at the very least not a fish, and he called a raise out of the blinds, which definitely puts low PPs a high part of his range. A4d or something like that is also a possibility, but I'd go with what villain is telling us and I believe we're basically drawing dead.

[BevillTheDevil]

i dunno i just have trouble puttin an unknown villian on such a small range. Unknown could be a 10/8/1 nit or a 80/40/10 maniac for all i know but the avg 25NLer from my experience is probably like a 45/5/1.5 or somewhere along those lines which Id put alot more than 22/55 in this villians range.

btw OP if you have a big enough BR to be playin 25NL then you def should have like $80 to invest in PT/PA hud

[Vyse]

But villain didn't play the hand like an average 25 NLer, he played it like the average multi-tabling TAG.

[Bowlboy]

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btw OP if you have a big enough BR to be playin 25NL then you def should have like $80 to invest in PT/PA hud

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Word /images/graemlins/smile.gif I bought it while grinding 1c/2c!

[Beesnuts]

I think I'm tending to agree with Vyse on this, but I see Bevill's point as well. No reads/stats makes this a pretty tough spot. My instinct tells me the AK probably isn't good here, but I don't know if I would lay it down to an unknown.

[Bowlboy]

[/ QUOTE ]But villain didn't play the hand like an average 25 NLer, he played it like the average multi-tabling TAG.

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Vyse you've nailed it man. Villain distinguishes himself from standard unknown's here so K9 is out of the question. The donk bet was standard size and so was the reraise. I agree, villain is more likely a tag or a setmining nit than some 54/10 donkey.

[derosnec]

guess who villain was ? /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Prodigy54321]

close IMO

don't completely forget about the possibility of AA as well guys

and to be honest, I wouldn't be surprised at K5, K2, or even 52 every once in a while

considering those hands though intorduces a odd paradox, since opponents who could have K5, K2 or even 52 here are also more likely to play this way with a hand you beat like KT.

just a few thoughts, I don't know what I would do...I'd probably fold it..then later wish I had spent a couple bucks worth of equity to see what he had /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Prodigy54321]

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guess who villain was ? /images/graemlins/smile.gif

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ho snap...I guess you had a set