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ciro bonano
06-25-2007, 08:45 AM
...at least, that was the plan.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) handconverter.com (http://www.handconverter.com)

UTG ($19.05)
MP ($53.15)
Hero ($51.95)
Button ($50.85)
SB ($96.55)
BB ($127.89)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls $0.50, MP calls $0.50, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2.75</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls $2.25, UTG calls $2.25, MP calls $2.25.

Flop: ($11.25) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets $6</font>, Hero calls $6, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $12</font>, UTG folds, MP folds, Hero...

The donker is 20.00 / 7.00 / 1.75 (100); I didn't know what a donk from him means.
The c/raiser is 58.33 / 5.56 / 2.00 (36)

I thought about raising the flop the first time around, but I was afraid that would lead to playing for stacks immediately, and I don't want to do that with TPGK in a multiway pot, but then this happend..

CityFan
06-25-2007, 09:00 AM
I find it hard to call this, even given the pot odds. It's unlikely villain would be doing this with a flush draw, when a call would be the obvious line. He could easily have A4/44/AK and have you beat. He COULD have a weaker ace.

It's tempting to call here see what happens on the turn. I'd then fold to a turn bet, but bet if checked to.

I prefer the fold though, because you risk another c/r on the turn if he has a strong hand, which is quite likely.

Those PT stats don't mean much to me, except that villain plays very loose PF...

Jouster777
06-25-2007, 09:11 AM
Fold. You are unlikely to have the best hand, you are very unlikely to improve, and you may be drawing almost dead already.

Chomp
06-25-2007, 09:14 AM
I see your dilema after the flop donk and am really not sure what the asnwer is.

I think I do the same and just call because as OP says a rr nearly commits us. Besides, I'm comfortable raising small donks, but this is quite a chunky one so is a bit worrying. Also, when we call we honestly cannot expect BB to c/mr that often behind here, so we got a bit unlicky that our call ended up NOT getting us to the next street HU against MP.

When BB acts, we are getting almost ~6/1 on our money. Wow. Jesus, that's nasty. You know what, I think I throw my hand away and take the $9.75 hit to my stack. I just think we are in huge RIO territory here, we don't want to play for stacks with TP3K against an action that is very, very hard to interpret as &lt;AT.

Just IMO, as my line does sound a bit passive/stationy on re-reading it, and turning down 6/1 against this aggro player with TP seems pretty nasty too.

....

Cliff notes: I haven't a clue

corsakh
06-25-2007, 09:21 AM
Insta fold.