Extracting with monster 200bbs deep in blind war vs. Mr. Aggro

[Fiksdal]

Reads: <font color="blue">Villain is a very aggressive player. He seems to make sick moves from time to time, and they might be spewy sometimes. I'll give him one thing though, he is extremely hard to play against cuz most of the time you don't have the goods, and he doesn't mind a fight for the pot.

He is running 25/18.5/2.5 over 130 hands.

I've been 26/25/10.5 over the same sample.

There has been fireworks on this table. Lots of 3betting, squeezing, double barreling, CRAIs in huge pots, etc. Basically war. In this one hand I raised to 4bb from CO, villain called from BTN, this other v aggressive dude made it 17bb from BB, and I shoved for like 135bb. I took that one down.

Here is another hand I played with villain early on:

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Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh))

Hero (SB): $58.05
BB: $115.35
UTG: $91.25
CO: $18.00
BTN: $50.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt J/images/graemlins/club.gif A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (5 Players)
UTG folds, CO calls $0.50, BTN folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2.50</font>, BB calls $2.00, CO folds

Flop: ($5.50) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif J/images/graemlins/heart.gif 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $4.50</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $15.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises all-in to $55.55</font>, BB folds




<font color="blue">So I have no idea what he had there but I'm thinking it might have been total air. On to the actual hand:</font>




Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh))

Hero (SB): $110.50
BB: $91.40
UTG: $54.90
MP: $104.15
CO: $48.75
BTN: $51.05

Preflop: Hero is dealt A/images/graemlins/heart.gif 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif (6 Players)
4 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2.00</font>, BB calls $1.50

Flop: ($4) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $3.80</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $14.00</font>


What line do you think will extract the most on average?

[XHitman014]

Given the past history I would consider pushing all-in since he may think you think he's on a move.

Against the average villian though I just 4 bet about 3.5x his bet and call a push since you're both pretty deep.

[Vyse]

Smooth call, bet out on turn (if he has air he'll check behind on turn a lot) hoping he raises you again.

[Miyogi]

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Smooth call, bet out on turn (if he has air he'll check behind on turn a lot) hoping he raises you again.

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This is fine. If you think villian is mad at you then you might want to try min or low 3betting here so he feels bullied and pushes back hoping to get you to fold.

[Fiksdal]

OK.. I called. The pot became $32, and the turn was the A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, which is actually a kinda bad card for me.

Plan?

[Miyogi]

I'd check call and donk out near potsized on any river (this works too if he checks behind and then wants to catch your river bluff).

[Vyse]

I bet $20. Play it like you normally would. If you have been checking a lot after his 3bets, then check the turn. If you bet out again for ~half pot, then do that.

[DannyOcean_]

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OK.. I called. The pot became $32, and the turn was the A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, which is actually a kinda bad card for me.

Plan?

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Why is this a bad card at all? Huh? AA and 77 beats us and nothing else, right? What am I missing?

He could easily have AK-Ax, and decide to go to war here. I think this is a terrific card for us, betbetbetbet.

[mertzo]

call flop -&gt; checkraise turn

[Fiksdal]

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OK.. I called. The pot became $32, and the turn was the A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, which is actually a kinda bad card for me.

Plan?

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Why is this a bad card at all? Huh? AA and 77 beats us and nothing else, right? What am I missing?

He could easily have AK-Ax, and decide to go to war here. I think this is a terrific card for us, betbetbetbet.

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I'm not worried about being beat, I'm worried about 7x or any pocket pair in villains range being scared of the ace.

[DannyOcean_]

While the Ace may scare the sevens and pp's in his range, it may also induce the Aces to get more in. He could have cold called you with Ax, realizing you cbet a lot. This board hits almost none of your range (except A4 hehehehehe), so he raises to get you off of your missed hand. After you call, he hits his ace.

I think we still have to bet here and hope he comes along. Have to keep that pot growing and get him in.

[SpecT]

Ace on turn could be good or bad. CRAI, if he has air he'll see the Ace as a scare card and fire again (but probably shutdown on the river if u call turn), or if he has an ace he's probably calling ur c/r anywayz. Pretty good stacksizes for a crai also

[mugatu668]

Hand 1 is played fine.
Hand 2 I like to call and C/R the turn.

[Nielsio]

OP,

You seem a good player (seen you at the tables). Howcome you play 50nl still?

[jmgambler]

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Smooth call, bet out on turn (if he has air he'll check behind on turn a lot) hoping he raises you again.

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thinking the exact same thing....

[Nielsio]

No, he'll likely use the A as a scarecard. I doubt he has a made hand here.

[TheSalche]

I'm with the turn check/raise crowd here, if he has air you're not getting anything else by 3betting the flop, but he could bluff the turn thinking you have a low PP, 56 or a weak 7. He knows your range is wide raising from the SB so its probably worth it for him to fire at you on the turn.

Failing the check/raise, lead for 1/2 to 2/3 pot on the river here.