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Charlie_VB
06-24-2007, 03:11 PM
Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 4 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh))

SB: $40.30
BB: $42.75
Hero (UTG): $50.30
BTN: $49.25

Preflop: Hero is dealt K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif K/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $2.00</font>, BTN folds, SB calls $1.75, BB folds

Flop: ($4.50) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif 9/images/graemlins/club.gif 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $0.50</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3.50</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $6.50</font>, Hero calls $3.00

Turn: ($17.50) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $17.50</font>, Hero????


Villain: 49/3/0.5

Waingro
06-24-2007, 03:43 PM
Easy push, this is a pp or air much more often than a 9. I like how you just called the raise on the flop. Now push.

BevillTheDevil
06-24-2007, 03:50 PM
uhhh given villian has an AF of .5 i think i can def lay this down on the turn...

ajml
06-24-2007, 04:19 PM
When someone has a really high vpip their aggression factor is going to almost always be really low. push

Triggerle
06-24-2007, 04:19 PM
This is obviously read-dependend beyond his stats but I actually often consider laying overpairs down to the 3bet on the flop. This is a monster practically 99% of the time with guys like him. The only hand we beat that he might do this with is QQ as I think he would flat call TT, JJ.

If I call then only to see what he does on the turn/spike a miracle card.

Vyse
06-24-2007, 04:19 PM
Over how many hands?

But yeah, I fold the turn.

Nick C
06-24-2007, 04:20 PM
It's unfortunate, but I think Villain probably has a 9. I mean, he's playing a lot of hands that contain a 9, probably even against a raise, and he's being much less passive than usual.

It's possible he's just in love with his TT because he knows that's a great preflop hand, but I think your best play is to fold the turn.

jessyj07
06-24-2007, 05:26 PM
[ QUOTE ]
When someone has a really high vpip their aggression factor is going to almost always be really low. push

[/ QUOTE ]this isn't true at all. it means that he doesn't bluff almost ever. so this is a fold.

ama0330
06-24-2007, 05:27 PM
Fold.

barryc83
06-24-2007, 05:31 PM
as played shove. sometimes just repop him on the flop though. people will [censored] with you on this board all day man, except luckily for you, you have a big hand. also, he prob doesnt repop TT-QQ pf.

OneBigRed
06-24-2007, 05:59 PM
A guy who plays about 50% of his hands and is not hugely aggro wants to play for stacks here, and people think KK is golden?

Come on, you pretty much beat only TT-QQ, which probably dont make a huge % of his range. I'm expecting to see a nine here 90% of the time. He's playing everything that resembles pretty, and we all know how nice A9, T9, 98, J9.......K9 etc look.

poker_n00b
06-24-2007, 06:40 PM
The min donk followed by a turn minreraise, psb on turn... hahahaha this is the standard donk flops a monster betting pattern.

Don't worry, you will recognize it after a while... after seeing showdowns in these spots.

Waingro
06-24-2007, 09:55 PM
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The min donk followed by a turn minreraise, psb on turn... hahahaha this is the standard donk flops a monster betting pattern.

Don't worry, you will recognize it after a while... after seeing showdowns in these spots.

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Yeah absolutely, but this is a paired board. Donks donīt play trips this way.

SykoraG
06-24-2007, 09:57 PM
Easy push

vixticator
06-24-2007, 10:00 PM
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The min donk followed by a turn minreraise, psb on turn... fold!

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Bowlboy
06-24-2007, 10:06 PM
I dont think villain has trips or better here because most of the time they will slowplay this. Anybody with A9 here pretty well figures they can afford to slowplay. The flop donk looks to me like some pocket pair like 66-TT. He thinks his hand is good so he min donks. This is usually the case on a dry board like this one where villain min bets into the pfr. You raised him and now he minraises you. Just looks like another attempt at cheaply getting the point across that he thinks his hand is good.

Turn is scary because 88 looks consistent with villain's line and he is'nt minbetting anymore. I dunno I'm probably wrong but the turn looks like value town.