QQ UTG $25 NL, flopped FH gets to river, now what?

[nilesharding]

villian knows what he is doing, running about 25/8/1.7, so a beat weak/passive, but whatev.

i have a pretty tight image, but have been 3-betting a lot recently since the table is a bit aggro (taking down pots PF uncontested). on river, i put villian on KQ, weirdly played AK, or maybe KK turned overfull (BBV if that =)). What is my line on this river lead?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($29.45)
BB ($22.95)
Hero ($42.45)
MP ($15.60)
CO ($35.50)
Button ($4.95)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, SB calls $0.90, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($2.25) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1.5</font>, SB calls $1.50.

Turn: ($5.25) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $4</font>, SB calls $4.

River: ($13.25) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $10</font>

[justhetip]

I think your read is pretty good, the other hand i might put in his range is something containing a two, and probably not AA because it would have been 3 bet pf, unlikely as it may be.
I would raise here to get value from hands like KQ, AK, etc. Put him all in.

[Bodhidharma]

This is an easy shove.

[mertzo]

Yepp easy shove, your ahead like everytime here.

[sightless]

tank and shove

[deal]

lol shoveaments.

Very kind of him to bet into you like that, be sure to thank him.

[nilesharding]

k, good to hear that this is what i should have done...gave a second's thought to flat calling, then my old, weak-tight self proceeded to push. YAY.

[nilesharding]

always push this, too, no matter the villian??

[sightless]

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always push this, too, no matter the villian??

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absolutely

[deal]

Not sure I get your question, are you worried that you are behind? You are losing to 22 and KK - if that's the case it's a monster cooler and nh villain, he got lucky you hit such a strong hand.

After he bet's the river he has $13 left, even a min raise is a shove - it really looks like you're getting a call.

[nilesharding]

AH, honestly, this was a bit of a tilt post, but also wanted to check my line. nowadays i will shove everytime here, and, i guess it was a trivial decision, but i lost...what did villian have (easy)? =)

[deal]

22?

[deal]

coooooooooooler

[nilesharding]

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22?

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yea, obv. how do you like his line???

[deal]

He got lucky you had such a strong hand... you could have easily checked behind on turn and check folded the river.

He can't really take much of a different line on the flop, as he has the deck crippled. Seeing as you keep betting I like his river lead with less than a pot behind and he is probably expecting you to shove over the top. Move tables, he plays good lol.

[Alfil]

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always push this, too, no matter the villian??

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Even if villian is PA and you are Tilly.

[ben wb]

Easy push, I don't like villain's line but all donks play it like that.

[Nick C]

Villain is probably too inclined to slowplay just in general, but, to be honest, I don't see any other line for him that would be a massive improvement.

I think basically this is just one of those hands where the cards that you hold are far more important than the specific line he chooses. I mean, once you reach the turn, if you don't have at least AQ, he's going to have trouble getting paid off for much more, no matter what he does.

I probably would donk the turn if I were him, but that just would have led to our getting all-in sooner. And, also, a turn donk would not be the most effective thing versus an opponent who holds AJ/AT and knows how to lay those hands down in this spot. (That same opponent will check that hand if given the chance, but at least that will give him a chance to improve.) Edit: Similarly, a turn donkbet will probably fold out JJ and worse, whereas Villain might get a curiosity call from underpairs if he makes a modest river bet after a turn check-through. I guess I'm saying that check-calling the turn might in fact be Villain's best play.

Anyway, though, it is entirely possible that Villain was congratulating himself on his "crafty" play after the hand. Whether or not he realized how important it was to the success of his play that you held a lesser monster is another question, but his stats do suggest he has some idea what he's doing, so my guess is that he realizes how lucky he was that the cards fell the way they did.