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Charlie_VB
06-22-2007, 07:29 PM
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($49)
SB ($107.10)
BB ($55.85)
Hero ($55.85)
MP ($36.15)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif.
Hero calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($1.50) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $1.5</font>, BB calls $1.50, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4.5</font>, SB calls $3, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $21</font>, Hero calls $15, SB folds.

Turn: ($46.50) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $35.85 (All-In)</font>, BB calls $35.85 (All-In).

River: ($118.20) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $118.20

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB doesn't show.
Hero has Kc Tc (flush, king high).
BB has Ks 2h (full house)
Outcome: BB wins $118.20. </font>

Villain: 39/7/0.5

SykoraG
06-22-2007, 07:32 PM
You commited most of your stack while you were ahead. So yes.

deal
06-22-2007, 07:47 PM
Preflop - I don't like open limping as a rule, and especially not UTG with K10. If you get raised you're having to fold pretty much 100% of the time, and a decent opponent will start stealing from you every time you limp.

Another reason not to limp is the blinds get a free look and can stack you with their random holdings - like this hand. So from UTG I'd fold this preflop.

I like your aggressive line on the flop although I'm a bit confused. Obviously there are no draws out there so you are solely raising to build the pot, which seems to be working well. When you get reraised you then slow down and call - is this because you are worried that villain is already full or has you outkicked? If this is the case then why bet the turn (edit: especially when the villain has already check raised the flop huge)? Just wondering why you don't get it in on the flop if you think you are ahead - which is a pretty reasonable assumption (66, AK, KQ would all raise preflop, leaving only KJ or K6), as there are no draws to be worried about.

Charlie_VB
06-22-2007, 07:52 PM
There wasn't any definate reason for calling, i figured him for a K but thought that if i shoved he may fold a hand like K2, and call with KJ. AK and KQ are raising pre-flop so i figured i was good. Basically i didnt want to scare him off. But yes he was never folding so flop shove would have been simpler.

creamfillin
06-22-2007, 07:55 PM
Get your money in on the flop/ and stop open limping UTG with KTs

Bastian
06-22-2007, 07:56 PM
Position is so important to us and helps make easy decisions.

Raising PF can help fold out junk hands that could potentially out play you w/ position.

So either raise or fold PF, depending on how you feel your post flop game is, you're life will become much easier.

Emperor Norton
06-22-2007, 08:11 PM
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There wasn't any definate reason for calling, i figured him for a K but thought that if i shoved he may fold a hand like K2, and call with KJ. AK and KQ are raising pre-flop so i figured i was good. Basically i didnt want to scare him off. But yes he was never folding so flop shove would have been simpler.

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Nobody is folding trips eva at these stakes.

vixticator
06-22-2007, 10:05 PM
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Get your money in on the flop/ and stop open limping UTG with KTs

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sightless
06-22-2007, 10:10 PM
I fold to the flop 3bet

kbrat
06-22-2007, 10:43 PM
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I fold to the flop 3bet

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why? This is a limped pot, versus the bb with any 2, by the time he 3bets and given his af his range is Kx 66 and very rarely AA. IF this we're a raised pot I agree with the fold since we only beat K9 but he could have any kicker here. Sometimes we'll lose to KJ-KQ and 66 but there are enough other Kx combinations to push the flop. I don't mind the flop call to get it in on the turn either. I also raise KTs pf

sightless
06-22-2007, 10:49 PM
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why?

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because he 3bet

Emperor Norton
06-22-2007, 10:50 PM
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why?

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because he 3bet

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All that says to me is "Whoooo trips!"

Indeed, my good fellow. Whoooo indeed.

Spechel EDD
06-22-2007, 11:00 PM
this is really gross, against someone that loose passive why would you even want to stack off to him in a dry pot? he shows with a better king here or 6's full a lot. id fold that flop after he called and then 3-bet you hard.

you have to think on this guys level. hes not going to be playing like you and raising hands like KQ/KJ/66/AK here almost ever preflop. the only times he ever gets crazy with betting is through a made hand.

Mothercanuck
06-22-2007, 11:32 PM
i woulda pushed after his reraise on teh flop...just cause its an unraised pot..he woulda called...and he still woulda hit the 2...no difference in outcome...

Mothercanuck
06-22-2007, 11:33 PM
raise this UTG and they fold...