Master Sticky Effort

[Berge20]

Ok - I realized some time ago that I/we needed to get together some useful master sticky here.

Honestly just haven't made the time to do it. We've got a good forum here, so I am asking for your help to put together a master sticky that can answer some of the FAQs.

I would like some very specific posts, texts, ideas that can be quickly and easily incorporated in this.

While I'd love to re-write a lot of things, the time just isn't there for me and no reason to re-invent the wheel if it is already out there.

Ideas, thoughts, suggestions?

[Patrick del Poker Grande]

It seems like you could pretty much just run a search for TheEngineer's posts.

[Berge20]

No doubt, he's done wonders

[Legislurker]

Maybe we can get a media article sticky back the way we had earlier in the year, post links to articles pertinent to the WTO issue while we how much legs it has.

[Emperor]

Is there a collection of TAX thread in the FAQ? Taxation questions get asked an awful lot.

[TheEngineer]

Thanks everyone for the compliments.

As for sticky's perhaps we could sticky the Action Item thread. We should probably have one for each bill while they're active (IGREA, Wexler's skill bill, and the Berkley study bill); we can link the existing relevent threads to it. We should also have one on taxes. I think we should have, at max, four or five new stickies, so they don't crowd out other discussion. Thanks.

[PLO8FaceKilla]

Is there a Tax FAQ anywhere????

[MiltonFriedman]

1. UIGE Regulations status
2. Federal bills
3. US market exits/announcements
4. WTO matters
5. Non-US legislation/regulation

[Berge20]

We're definately in the ballpark regarding what content I had been thinking.

Let's dig down a little further and give me some suggestions on specific threads that already exist and provide some good information.

[break0ut]

I tried one of these for Tax but it never got off the ground, I'm up for helping though.

[TheEngineer]

Can you start a sticky for our letters? I think we're pretty much unanimous on that one.

[DMoogle]

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Can you start a sticky for our letters? I think we're pretty much unanimous on that one.

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I think if sample letters that could be sent were posted, it would make it easier (and therefore encourage more people) to send out the letters.

[yahboohoo]

A vote for "Tax FAQs" for damn sure.

Another vote/suggestion for a general "What can I do?" sticky, perhaps cross-linked or containing the letters, how to contact Congressmen, and/or action thread(s).

I'd draw the line at 3-4 stickies total, including the welcome one (if it stays).

[Berge20]

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Can you start a sticky for our letters? I think we're pretty much unanimous on that one.

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Don't think that'll be a problem.

Do you have specific links you want?

[TheEngineer]

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Don't think that'll be a problem.

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Thanks.

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Do you have specific links you want?

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Not really. My "Fight for Online Gaming!! -- Weekly action thread" may make sense in there, but it's really just a place where we can post our past, current, and future letters for easy reference.

[Berge20]

Bump - Finally got this rolling, so please get some suggestions and check back to the sticky for info.

[Legislurker]

I was out playing today and someone who used to play at Paradise started talking to me. He had no clue you could still play, what epass was, or that anyone was fighting for poker. I wouldn/t mind seeing some kind of faq for noobs/fish to read about the effort to regulate online poker. A combination of the weekly action thread, link to the PPA, roomlist that still take US players, and a general outline of what is transpiring in Congress, the WTO, iMega etc. Something a non 2p2 person can read in 5-10 minutes and be up to speed.

[kidpokeher]

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Can you start a sticky for our letters? I think we're pretty much unanimous on that one.

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Don't think that'll be a problem.

Do you have specific links you want?

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This thread:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...=0#Post11442774 (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=11442774&an=0&page=0#Pos t11442774)

[Berge20]

Already there /images/graemlins/smile.gif

That's exactly what we need though

[4_2_it]

We need some tax links(I'd only provide links from the IRS site so we aren't giving tax advice, merely pointing people to certain IRS rules):

From IRS Publication 525: [ QUOTE ]
Gambling winnings. You must include your gambling winnings in your income on Form 1040, line 21. If you itemize your deductions on Schedule A (Form 1040), you can deduct gambling losses you had during the year, but only up to the amount of your winnings.

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IRS summary of how to report gambling winnings and loses (non-professional) (http://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc419.html)

[Berge20]

Roger

I just put a quick and dirty summary of the current legal situation of online poker for US players up. I'd appreciate any comments on that--I didnt get into the details, but I believe that I accurately represented the current status.

If something needs added, changed or removed on that front, please let me know.

[kidpokeher]

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We need some tax links(I'd only provide links from the IRS site so we aren't giving tax advice, merely pointing people to certain IRS rules):

From IRS Publication 525: [ QUOTE ]
Gambling winnings. You must include your gambling winnings in your income on Form 1040, line 21. If you itemize your deductions on Schedule A (Form 1040), you can deduct gambling losses you had during the year, but only up to the amount of your winnings.

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IRS summary of how to report gambling winnings and loses (non-professional) (http://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc419.html)

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I found these links to be rather informative in regards to tax issues:

http://www.onlinepokerfaq.com/guide/us-taxes.html

Competitor site - oh noes! (http://www.pocketfives.com/DD6E4B33-181C-4E60-80FA-433BE6A8AF8C.aspx)

http://www.gambling-law-us.com/Articles-Notes/online-gambling-tax.htm


Berge20, about the Master Sticky, this strikes me as a little funny.

What can I send to public officials if I feel strongly?

I think your breakdown is a nice, concise summary. If people want additional info, I really like this link:

http://www.gameattorneys.com/UIEGA.html

[Skallagrim]

Berge, I like what you have done with respect to the "current legal situation" but I believe it can be fleshed out a little more.

I was going to PM you a draft, but then I figured I would put it here so others could comment or add things:

"What is the current legal situation of online poker in the United States?

The short answer is that, with a few exceptions, no one knows for sure.

At the Federal level there is no law that specifically addresses online poker. For many years now the DOJ and the FBI have maintained that the Federal law known has the WIRE ACT makes online poker illegal. This law, however, has been held by two Federal Courts of Appeal to apply only to sports betting. Also, the WIRE ACT itself only criminalizes the provider of the "gambling" service, not the individual bettor. Until and unless the US Supreme Court takes a case and overturns the decisions of these Courts of Appeal, it is therefore safe to conclude that no Federal law makes online poker illegal.

In the US, however, citizens are also subject to state law. A few states specifically make playing online poker illegal. Although no one has yet to be arrested under any such law, if you play online poker from one of those states, it is a crime.

Most state laws say nothing about playing online or about poker specifically. Virtually all states have laws against "gambling" outside of licensed Brick and Mortar casinos. Most states define gambling as wagering on a game of chance. A game of chance is usually defined as a game where the outcome is more dependent on chance than on skill. That is still an open legal question in most states, as is whether these general anti-gambling laws apply to the internet.

Further complicating the answer, in the fall of 2006, the United States passed legislation that significantly altered the landscape in the online poker arena. The SAFE Port Act included legislative language commonly referred to the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act (UIEGA).

This law focused on halting the electronic transfer of money to gambling sites in relation to unlawful Internet gambling. It did not define "unlawful internet gambling" in any new way, however, instead it said unlawful internet gambling is that which was already illegal under any state or federal law. Subsequently, Party Poker withdrew from the United States market, as did many other smaller poker sites. Major electronic financial service companies such as Neteller found themselves in the middle of this and also withdrew from the market.

The legislation did nothing to change the status of internet poker players and did not focus any of its efforts on penalizing or criminalizing players. Rather, the measures focused on those companies that choose to accept and process such transactions that are deemed illegal internet gambling.

Several major sites still allow United States players to play and there are methods for getting money into and out of these sites. Whether a site that only offers poker, and whether a money transfer to sites that only offer poker, are breaking this new law is a hotly debated question, and the answer depends on a lot of other questions involving individual state laws, foreign treaties, interstate commerce, and other issues.

Under the UIGEA, the United States is also supposed to issue additional regulations relating to this law in the Summer of 2007. This may shake-up the status quo further or it may have little or no impact depending upon the specifics of the regulations and how the banks and financial services sector respond to them.

Throughout this forum you will find threads and posts discussing the ongoing debate over online poker's legal status. Until the Courts rule, or new legislation passes, however, the answer will remain (except in those few states where its a listed criminal offense) no one knows for certain."

Skallagrim

- Obviously I could add a lot more, but I think its best to keep it short and leave the real details to the individual threads. But understanding the above is a pretty good basic set of knowledge.

[Berge20]

Thanks guys

Skall, that's a great one. I may trim it a bit (just so people can do a quick glance and understand) but appreciate it.

Sorry for taking forever on this too. Needed done 9 months ago probably. /images/graemlins/blush.gif

[CompatiblePoker]

I just read it over and the US poker re-cap that Skall did looks like a great summary. All the points he makes are important so I wouldn't trim it up too much. It could use some bullets or subheaders to make it a little easier for people to "skim" read.

My head feels like it's going to explode but I'll look it over tomorrow to see if anything was left out as well.

[CompatiblePoker]

Berge, this might help the Master Sticky "US section" read a little easier. Just added a few bullet points.


What is the current legal situation of online poker in the United States?

The short answer is that, with a few exceptions, no one knows for sure.

Federal Level Legality
At the Federal level there is no law that specifically addresses online poker. For many years now the DOJ and the FBI have maintained that the Federal law known has the WIRE ACT makes online poker illegal. This law, however, has been held by two Federal Courts of Appeal to apply only to sports betting. Also, the WIRE ACT itself only criminalizes the provider of the "gambling" service, not the individual bettor. Until and unless the US Supreme Court takes a case and overturns the decisions of these Courts of Appeal, it is therefore safe to conclude that no Federal law makes online poker illegal.

State Level Legality
In the US, however, citizens are also subject to state law. A few states specifically make playing online poker illegal. Although no one has yet to be arrested under any such law, if you play online poker from one of those states, it is a crime.

Most state laws say nothing about playing online or about poker specifically. Virtually all states have laws against "gambling" outside of licensed Brick and Mortar casinos. Most states define gambling as wagering on a game of chance. A game of chance is usually defined as a game where the outcome is more dependent on chance than on skill. That is still an open legal question in most states, as is whether these general anti-gambling laws apply to the internet.

The Safe Port Act & UIGEA Issues
Further complicating the answer, in the fall of 2006, the United States passed legislation that significantly altered the landscape in the online poker arena. The SAFE Port Act included legislative language commonly referred to the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act (UIEGA).

This law focused on halting the electronic transfer of money to gambling sites in relation to unlawful Internet gambling. It did not define "unlawful internet gambling" in any new way, however, instead it said unlawful internet gambling is that which was already illegal under any state or federal law. Subsequently, Party Poker withdrew from the United States market, as did many other smaller poker sites. Major electronic financial service companies such as Neteller found themselves in the middle of this and also withdrew from the market.

The legislation did nothing to change the status of internet poker players and did not focus any of its efforts on penalizing or criminalizing players. Rather, the measures focused on those companies that choose to accept and process financial transactions that are deemed related to illegal internet gambling.

New Status of Online Poker in US
Several major sites still allow United States players to play and there are methods for getting money into and out of these sites. Whether a site that only offers poker, and whether a money transfer to sites that only offer poker, are breaking this new law is a hotly debated question, and the answer depends on a lot of other questions involving individual state laws, foreign treaties, interstate commerce, and other issues.

About the Pending "Regulations"
Under the UIGEA, the United States is also supposed to issue additional regulations relating to this law in the Summer of 2007. This may shake-up the status quo further or it may have little or no impact depending upon the specifics of the regulations and how the banks and financial services sector respond to them.

Poker in the US - Conclusion
Throughout this forum you will find threads and posts discussing the ongoing debate over online poker's legal status. Until the Courts rule, or new legislation passes, however, the answer will remain (except in those few states where its a listed criminal offense) no one knows for certain.

You can find a slightly longer version, including some history and a bit more detailed legal analysis here: UIGEA Summary (http://www.gameattorneys.com/UIEGA.html)

[Berge20]

Thanks

I've also got a tax part in the works, thanks to a generous poster. It will have to wait til I get back from Vegas though /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Berge20]

Do we have a really good post on some of the WTO angle?