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TheFresh1
06-18-2007, 09:02 PM
No reads on player, just sat down a few hands ago
I see people go crazy w/ QQ and JJ in this spot, which is why I elected to call

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh))

SB: $58.80
BB: $46.30
UTG: $105.70
MP: $41.30
Hero (CO): $52.05
BTN: $71.10

Preflop: Hero is dealt A/images/graemlins/spade.gif K/images/graemlins/heart.gif (6 Players)
2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1.50</font>, BTN calls $1.50, <font color="red">SB raises to $5.00</font>, BB folds, Hero calls $3.50, BTN calls $3.50

Flop: ($15.50) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $12.00</font>, BTN folds, <font color="red">SB raises all-in to $53.80</font>, Hero calls all-in for $35.05
Uncalled bet of $6.75 returned to SB

Turn: ($109.60) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 Players - 2 All-In)

River: ($109.60) T/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 Players - 2 All-In)

Pot Size: $109.60 ($3 Rake)

HighSteaks
06-18-2007, 09:30 PM
I think he's got the same hand as you only about 25% of the time in this spot, so I would fold, I think it is rare that someone is doing this with queens or less when villain (you) has 35 behind. Might be weak, don't know.

Bonesy
06-19-2007, 12:26 AM
Are we putting villain on exactly AA or KK? His line is pretty weird and I don't think it's a lower PP. I would assume that those hands just lead out. I'd be willing to stack off here.

PRE
06-19-2007, 12:30 AM
Your donk bet on the flop is terrible. Without any reads I'm calling.

Bantam222
06-19-2007, 12:31 AM
I'm not a big fan of stacking off with top pair, but in a 3bet bot and then your flop bet...you are getting about 2:1

I'd call here...

cooker3
06-19-2007, 01:20 AM
What are we beating here?

jordiepop
06-19-2007, 01:46 AM
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Your donk bet on the flop is terrible. Without any reads I'm calling.

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my bad i read it wrong. i think this is fine until the shove which is prob a fold imo. i dont see us beating much . its prob a tie with ak at best

Lego05
06-19-2007, 01:48 AM
I would check behind on flop. I think you're beat now but it's tough to fold here.

vixticator
06-19-2007, 01:50 AM
How is this a donk bet? PF raiser checked flop. How can you not bet? I'd be mildly concerned about Aces after he shoves but call anyways.

Lego05
06-19-2007, 01:55 AM
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How is this a donk bet? PF raiser checked flop. How can you not bet? I'd be mildly concerned about Aces after he shoves but call anyways.

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I wouldn't bet because we're either way ahead or way behind. He's either got what like AJ,AQ,QQ,KK,AA,AK,JJ,TT...maybe a few other things. I see no reason to bet the flop against that range.

SykoraG
06-19-2007, 02:16 AM
You have to bet as this is a drawy board. As played call but expect to see KK / AA here alot. (AA more likely).

bored
06-19-2007, 02:26 AM
I'd check behind on the flop. You stand to lose a lot vs AA/KK in this hand and stand to win a little vs QQ/JJ. The draws shouldn't concern you, as Villain is unlikely to have them.

I'd fold to this check/shove readless. Unless you have a read that he is a big bluffer/total manaic that stacks off w/ less than top pair, I'd give him credit for a big hand. If he is that type of player, you'll get his money eventually. Sometimes he will have AK here and steal a pot from you, but I don't think that the times you call and split make up for the times you call and are crushed by AA/KK.

ocdscale
06-19-2007, 02:27 AM
Villain probably does this with AK, AQdd, AA/KK, maybe 66/77 but I don't think we can put that in an unknown's 3betting range (even if it's against a perceived steal).

Even though we're getting 2:1, if he has AK we're splitting, and we're not that far ahead of AQdd to make up for AA/KK.
(flush draws would have to make up ~half his range for us to get enough equity).

Given enough time to work through it, I think a fold is clear.