Advice in blind war

[MrP]

Prolly donked this since no reads on players
but was wondering if you would double shorty here

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.30 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($63.15)
MP ($30.15)
CO ($124.50)
Button ($39.80)
Hero ($59.70)
BB ($29.80)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.05</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $3</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $60.75 (All-In)</font>, BB calls $27.10 (All-In).

Flop: ($90.85) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Turn: ($90.85) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

River: ($90.85) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $90.85

[Beesnuts]

I dont see anything wrong here. I bet you see 99-JJ a lot, plus AKs and maybe AQs

[MrP]

thats what i thought, but figured if i 4bet him he shoves, so i just shoved. I was just unhappy i had no reads or anything

[Beesnuts]

I dont think its ever wrong to shove with QQ PF if given the option to. What'd he have? AK?

[MrP]

KK

[MrP]

any experienced player could comment please

[LordBrun]

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KK

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You shouldnt have revealed villians hand. Responses are likely to be result oriented.

[HighSteaks]

I'd be more inclined to make it ten preflop.

[wildzer0]

I don't think knowing villain has KK makes the advice more likely to be results oriented. OP obviously played this fine. Turn a queen next time.

[elmopoker]

this is fine

[wikemang]

Sucks to run into one of two hands that beats you, but like wildzer0 said, turn a queen next time.

[Check_The_Nuts]

I would have generally gotten it in on the flop. This is fine though.

[Ikaika]

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I would have generally gotten it in on the flop. This is fine though.

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[CPHoya]

I guess this is fine but I feel like raising $27 more means you only get called by one hand you're ahead of (AK) and the others you are not. Maybe raise to $12, induce a shove with a way wider range?

This isn't bad, just not how I would've ended up losing my stack.

[Vyse]

I think it's really bad. Is his calling range really much wider than AK, AA, KK, and QQ? Maybe JJ. Maybe. But as far as he's concerned, he's not short -- he has 100 BBs.

[MrP]

The game was deep,so is is short to the deep style of play.
But i feel if I repop it PF he shoves and I call. Lose it on any low flop for sure, and just wanted to know would you shove or just smooth call his reraise.Then decide on flop

[Check_The_Nuts]

MrP - what you gain from calling is that you don't stack off on A high or K high flops. I think on these flops your likely to be behind always. Whereas if you push maybe he calls with AK maybe he never has it. Also since bad players tend to peel wayyyy too often with AK unimproved in reraised pots it doesn't seem as bad.

[sh58]

i don't like the play, you get no value from people pulling a move on you, and it's bad for your metagame
either 4 bet a reasonable amount (and call push) or call and make a move later.
if it gets shown down later people are going to be less keen to mess with you and your play is more deceptive.

if you were playing a HU cash game would you just shove like that, i know i wouldn't.

i'd usually call and checkraise big on the flop

[Vyse]

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The game was deep,so is is short to the deep style of play.

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Yeah, but in his mind HE'S not short, so he's playing normal. Short stacks usually push with much more marginal hands, but if he's a normal stack in his mind, he's not. Therefore the range you assign him has to be a lot tighter.

[That Fish]

So TT+ is likely all that 3 bets pre, and AK/JJ are really the only hands you get value from (does TT call a push?). I don't think any other big Ax hands call the push.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 47.366% { QQ }
Hand 1: 52.634% { JJ+, AKs, AKo }

If TT is in the range than it's 52/47 for hero, or about $1 of EV overall if he even calls with TT here.

Anything that raised pre will bet when checked to on the flop. If not AK whiffed and will fold to a bet on the turn UI and you won't get any more money out of it anyway..

You c/r the flop and all the Ax hands fold, KK/AA push and you have to fold.

You smooth-call his flop bet and now he has to worry about you having a set (unless the board is really draw heavy) and he might go into get to showdown mode with AA/KK and check behind the turn.

River is a blocking bet, maybe he pairs his kicker along the way such that he calls with worse hands but might be wary to raise the river with AA/KK.

I don't think a worse hand is raising a blocking bet on the river.

Since Ax hands make up more of his range than pairs, I think it's more +EV to keep them in on average than just pushing pre where no better hand folds.

[Spanky1974]

I rarely get called 100BB's deep when I 4bet/push by anything worse than AA/KK/AK. Are there a lot of players on FT that call your push with AQ-AJ &amp; JJ-22?