50nl: hand vs fish when the flush hits the river

[barryc83]

Villain is like 48/20/2 over this 150 hand session thus far. He's a fish, but more stationish, not a bluffer. IS this a call just from a pure odds standpoint???

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 4 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh))

SB: $67.50
BB: $26.80
UTG: $48.70
Hero (BTN): $65.65

Preflop: Hero is dealt K/images/graemlins/spade.gif A/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 Players)
UTG calls $0.50, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2.50</font>, SB folds, BB calls $2.00, UTG calls $2.00

Flop: ($7.75) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 Players)
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $5.50</font>, BB calls $5.50, UTG calls $5.50

Turn: ($24.25) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 Players)
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $16.00</font>, BB calls $16.00, UTG calls $16.00

River: ($72.25) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets all-in for $2.80</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises all-in to $24.70</font>, Hero ???

[Nick C]

Crap. I guess I'd probably call because of the pot size, but I'd kind of feel like I was throwing my money away while I was doing it.

[HighSteaks]

You made a ballsy bet on the turn and they ain't goin nowwhere - the only thing to consider is whether you are beating UTG and not the other guy who is AI and you can get most of your money back - is there a name for that?

[barryc83]

is the turn bet really terrible here? i was gonna fold to a crai from UTG. I just figured its multiway, theres a FD out there and these guys will peel that flop with guttersso I bet for value/protection.

[KEW]

I do not think UTG is ever bluffing here...The pot is protected and I doubt he would do this with a lesser Ace to isolate the BB..

[Vyse]

I bet the flop more, $6 minimum, probably 6.50.

River is a fold, there's not anything in the world you're beating.

[Lennon]

I hate these situations. When the flush hits on the river, I always wish I had pushed the turn.
I think you have to fold.

[HighSteaks]

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is the turn bet really terrible here? i was gonna fold to a crai from UTG. I just figured its multiway, theres a FD out there and these guys will peel that flop with guttersso I bet for value/protection.

[/ QUOTE ]

Not at all, it just all went pear shaped /images/graemlins/laugh.gif I do like the idea mentioned of the flop bet at the larger end of the scale, might just have sparked different action allowing you to get away - doubt it though, @$#% happens.

[BevillTheDevil]

id probably bet alittle more on the turn like $20 since we got 2 callers...Given your read i think i would fold the river, we are gettin good odds but i cant really see us being ahead here i dont think a station is pushin the river w/ like TPGK hands all this might just be from my results of lately tho

[BevillTheDevil]

[ QUOTE ]
is the turn bet really terrible here? i was gonna fold to a crai from UTG. I just figured its multiway, theres a FD out there and these guys will peel that flop with guttersso I bet for value/protection.

[/ QUOTE ]

yea i def like a turn bet, but if your goin to fold to a CRAI then on the river id def fold w/o really considerin the odds

[barryc83]

yea my first reaction was to fold the river, but I took a little time and saw the price I was getting and convinced myself to call. I was he had like $35 left and I'd just muck it. still trying to overcome my tagfish ways.

new question: if the river is a 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif do you push if checked to?

[Vyse]

I'd check behind.

[renotime]

i'd probably insta fold the river

[HighSteaks]

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yea my first reaction was to fold the river, but I took a little time and saw the price I was getting and convinced myself to call. I was he had like $35 left and I'd just muck it. still trying to overcome my tagfish ways.

new question: if the river is a 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif do you push if checked to?

[/ QUOTE ]
Personally yes, I think there is value because of the stack sizes, dude with 3 is obv caliing, other dude would be giving up a $75 pot for $25 if he folds AQ AJ - any hand that beats you I think check raises you on the turn.

[BevillTheDevil]

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yea my first reaction was to fold the river, but I took a little time and saw the price I was getting and convinced myself to call. I was he had like $35 left and I'd just muck it. still trying to overcome my tagfish ways.

new question: if the river is a 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif do you push if
checked to?

[/ QUOTE ]

You said villians more of a station so i think he/she will probably call w/ just about any A on the river esp givin his/her odds. If villian had 1 pair beat IMO i think there would be a raise or bet on atleast 1 of these streets but this weak line really looks like a weak Ax hand or some draw. Id def like a value shove on a blank river

[wikemang]

Pot flop, check behind turn, fold river.

[Speedlimits]

This is a fold the /images/graemlins/heart.gif got there.

[Speedlimits]

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Pot flop, check behind turn, fold river.

[/ QUOTE ]

no.

[wslee00]

i think you played it right - now fold the river

[karlwig]

of course fold river. you need to bet more on turn.