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JROK777
06-17-2007, 04:32 PM
Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $53.25
UTG+1: $128.95
Hero: $65.95
Button: $34.40
SB: $56.10
BB: $38.85

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with J/images/graemlins/heart.gif J/images/graemlins/spade.gif
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $1.75</font>, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif ($5.25, 3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $4</font>, SB calls, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to $14.5</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises all-in $64.2</font>, <font color="#cc0000">SB calls all-in $50.35</font>, BB folds.
Uncalled bets: $9.85 returned to Hero.

Should we just call the flop and donk/fold the turn? Villian was aggressive and would do this with a draw. Is it standard to get it all in on flops like this w JJ &amp; QQ?

Peter Harris
06-17-2007, 06:32 PM
looks like JJ with a drawy board is the order of the day.

need reads to know for sure.

derosnec
06-17-2007, 06:53 PM
when you get c/r'd here in a 3 way pot, it's not looking good. this is a classic set (maybe even AA-QQ). draws will donk or check-call most of the time. i don't see top pair check-raising here often multiway. 99/TT is possible and there are more ways (12 combos) he can have those than a set (9 combos), bu there also 9 ways he can have 87. i think you see a hand that beats you here way more often just because of the line he took in a multiway pot. there are about 20 ways he can have a legitimate draw (10 ways Ax hearts, and about 10 ways for KhQh-Kh8h, QhJh-Qh8h, etc type of hands), but you're flipping against most of those anyway. if you had invested more in pot, then you'd have odds to call an all in i suppose, but to push over his c/r (you really have no FE), i don't think pot is big enough to make up for times you are crushed. (i could be wrong, of course)

ActionStan
06-17-2007, 07:11 PM
SB has a big hand here often, smooth calling to let BB in. Had you smooth called, I think you would have seen a raise from the SB and would have safely been able to fold. He's usually going to have 22,77,88.

I think you're in a bad spot stuck between the check raiser and smooth caller. I think you sorta/hafta call the one raise and let the hand go if you get caught up in a raising war with the two blinds.