View Full Version : NL 50: KK vs. ??? - How to read the board - Bet river?
sirklas
06-17-2007, 10:38 AM
Hi guys,
villian was a 40/13/1.44 over 344 hands. It looked like he understood the basics of playing 6-max tables. Anyway he played far too much hands IMO.
Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (http://www.legopoker.com/hh)
SB: $51.85
BB: $50.75
UTG: $74.70
MP: $124.45
hero (CO): $128.80
BTN: $49.75
Preflop: hero is dealt Kh Kc (6 Players)
UTG folds, MP raises to $2.00, hero raises to $6.00, 3 folds, MP calls $4.00
Flop: ($12.75) 4h Qd 6d (2 Players)
MP checks, hero bets $8.00, MP calls $8.00
Turn: ($28.75) 5s (2 Players)
MP checks, hero bets $15.00, MP raises to $30.00, hero calls $15.00
River: ($88.75) 8c (2 Players)
MP bets $40.00, hero?
1) What about the min raise on turn? In what hand categories can I put him here? Is the call correct, or a push AI even better on that board?
2) What about the river bet? Easy call or easy fold? What hands might he have?
Ty for answers, sirklas
ontiltsoon
06-17-2007, 10:56 AM
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Given stack sizes I raise more Preflop.
I would probably check the Turn for Pot Size control and call a river bet.
I think that if you call the turn you have to call the river when the 8c falls.
wildzer0
06-17-2007, 11:02 AM
Unless I have a read that he checkraises the turn light, I usually fold the turn.
wslee00
06-17-2007, 11:08 AM
check the turn definitely. as played fold turn.
wallenborn
06-17-2007, 12:43 PM
This turn is a fold according to the Baluga Theorem, (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=6605819&page=0&fpart=1&v c=1) right?
Hoopster81
06-17-2007, 12:50 PM
follow the 4BB+1BB for every limper pf raise rule ($10 in this case)
checking the turn is terrible - bet closer to pot and fold to the c/r vs. this passive opponent
sirklas
06-17-2007, 01:16 PM
@ Hoopster: This is NL 50, so one BB is 0,50 $. He was not a limper, he raised from UTG to 4 BB`s. I reraised him to 12 BB`s. Critize that preflop play? I mean, I can understand if you say I should have reraised him more....
But this situation has nothing to do with the 4 BB`s + 1 BB per limper rule IMO, right?
sirklas
Hoopster81
06-17-2007, 01:31 PM
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@ Hoopster: This is NL 50, so one BB is 0,50 $. He was not a limper, he raised from UTG to 4 BB`s. I reraised him to 12 BB`s. Critize that preflop play? I mean, I can understand if you say I should have reraised him more....
But this situation has nothing to do with the 4 BB`s + 1 BB per limper rule IMO, right?
sirklas
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Sorry, totally missed it was 50NL and it was 3-bet PF
Looks good up until the turn. I probably check there a lot and call/valuebet rivers.
bluffbetter
06-17-2007, 01:44 PM
Is this really a fold given how loose villain is? I mean if he was 20/13/1.44 I think it would be a fold, but here I'm not so sure.
Triggerle
06-17-2007, 01:54 PM
I'm in the camp of betting turn harder and folding to a raise. There are so many villians who will call you down with any Q.
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Is this really a fold given how loose villain is? I mean if he was 20/13/1.44 I think it would be a fold, but here I'm not so sure.
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Ehm, he raised pre-flop, he still raises 13% of his hands even if he has VPIP of 40 or 20.
I'm definately with Triggerle on this one, I bet turn harder like ~24$ for value and it's very easy to fold even if he minraises, he absolutely never raises a worse hand and is very rarely on pure air with that AF. As played I think you have to call.
I also raise bigger pre-flop
orange
06-17-2007, 02:10 PM
what? turn is a good bet. i play it the same as you if you called the river. hope he didnt have QQ.
sirklas
06-17-2007, 07:11 PM
Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh))
SB: $51.85
BB: $50.75
UTG: $74.70
MP: $124.45
hero (CO): $128.80
BTN: $49.75
Preflop: hero is dealt K/images/graemlins/heart.gif K/images/graemlins/club.gif (6 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $2.00</font>, <font color="red">hero raises to $6.00</font>, 3 folds, MP calls $4.00
Flop: ($12.75) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 Players)
MP checks, <font color="red">hero bets $8.00</font>, MP calls $8.00
Turn: ($28.75) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 Players)
MP checks, <font color="red">hero bets $15.00</font>, <font color="red">MP raises to $30.00</font>, hero calls $15.00
River: ($88.75) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">MP bets $40.00</font>, hero calls $40.00
Pot Size: $168.75 ($3 Rake)
MP had 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif (three of a kind, Sixes) and WON (+$81.75)
hero had K/images/graemlins/heart.gif K/images/graemlins/club.gif and LOST (-$84.00)
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