NL 50: KK vs. ??? - How to read the board - Bet river?

[sirklas]

Hi guys,

villian was a 40/13/1.44 over 344 hands. It looked like he understood the basics of playing 6-max tables. Anyway he played far too much hands IMO.

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (http://www.legopoker.com/hh)

SB: $51.85
BB: $50.75
UTG: $74.70
MP: $124.45
hero (CO): $128.80
BTN: $49.75

Preflop: hero is dealt Kh Kc (6 Players)
UTG folds, MP raises to $2.00, hero raises to $6.00, 3 folds, MP calls $4.00

Flop: ($12.75) 4h Qd 6d (2 Players)
MP checks, hero bets $8.00, MP calls $8.00

Turn: ($28.75) 5s (2 Players)
MP checks, hero bets $15.00, MP raises to $30.00, hero calls $15.00

River: ($88.75) 8c (2 Players)
MP bets $40.00, hero?

1) What about the min raise on turn? In what hand categories can I put him here? Is the call correct, or a push AI even better on that board?

2) What about the river bet? Easy call or easy fold? What hands might he have?

Ty for answers, sirklas

[ontiltsoon]

***GRUNCH***
Given stack sizes I raise more Preflop.

I would probably check the Turn for Pot Size control and call a river bet.

I think that if you call the turn you have to call the river when the 8c falls.

[wildzer0]

Unless I have a read that he checkraises the turn light, I usually fold the turn.

[wslee00]

check the turn definitely. as played fold turn.

[wallenborn]

This turn is a fold according to the Baluga Theorem, (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=6605819&page=0&fpart=1&v c=1) right?

[Hoopster81]

follow the 4BB+1BB for every limper pf raise rule ($10 in this case)

checking the turn is terrible - bet closer to pot and fold to the c/r vs. this passive opponent

[sirklas]

@ Hoopster: This is NL 50, so one BB is 0,50 $. He was not a limper, he raised from UTG to 4 BB`s. I reraised him to 12 BB`s. Critize that preflop play? I mean, I can understand if you say I should have reraised him more....

But this situation has nothing to do with the 4 BB`s + 1 BB per limper rule IMO, right?

sirklas

[Hoopster81]

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@ Hoopster: This is NL 50, so one BB is 0,50 $. He was not a limper, he raised from UTG to 4 BB`s. I reraised him to 12 BB`s. Critize that preflop play? I mean, I can understand if you say I should have reraised him more....

But this situation has nothing to do with the 4 BB`s + 1 BB per limper rule IMO, right?

sirklas

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Sorry, totally missed it was 50NL and it was 3-bet PF

Looks good up until the turn. I probably check there a lot and call/valuebet rivers.

[bluffbetter]

Is this really a fold given how loose villain is? I mean if he was 20/13/1.44 I think it would be a fold, but here I'm not so sure.

[Triggerle]

I'm in the camp of betting turn harder and folding to a raise. There are so many villians who will call you down with any Q.

[humP]

[ QUOTE ]
Is this really a fold given how loose villain is? I mean if he was 20/13/1.44 I think it would be a fold, but here I'm not so sure.

[/ QUOTE ]

Ehm, he raised pre-flop, he still raises 13% of his hands even if he has VPIP of 40 or 20.

I'm definately with Triggerle on this one, I bet turn harder like ~24$ for value and it's very easy to fold even if he minraises, he absolutely never raises a worse hand and is very rarely on pure air with that AF. As played I think you have to call.

I also raise bigger pre-flop

[orange]

what? turn is a good bet. i play it the same as you if you called the river. hope he didnt have QQ.

[sirklas]

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh))

SB: $51.85
BB: $50.75
UTG: $74.70
MP: $124.45
hero (CO): $128.80
BTN: $49.75

Preflop: hero is dealt K/images/graemlins/heart.gif K/images/graemlins/club.gif (6 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $2.00</font>, <font color="red">hero raises to $6.00</font>, 3 folds, MP calls $4.00

Flop: ($12.75) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 Players)
MP checks, <font color="red">hero bets $8.00</font>, MP calls $8.00

Turn: ($28.75) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 Players)
MP checks, <font color="red">hero bets $15.00</font>, <font color="red">MP raises to $30.00</font>, hero calls $15.00

River: ($88.75) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">MP bets $40.00</font>, hero calls $40.00

Pot Size: $168.75 ($3 Rake)

MP had 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif (three of a kind, Sixes) and WON (+$81.75)
hero had K/images/graemlins/heart.gif K/images/graemlins/club.gif and LOST (-$84.00)