Tilt $163, Big stack donk leads into my AA

[mikeJ]

Full Tilt Poker Game #2660642795: $40,000 Guarantee (19784442), Table 33 - 300/600 Ante 75 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:13:04 ET - 2007/06/13
Seat 1: MixJ (11,646)
Seat 2: USCphildo (16,794)
Seat 3: SkellyFactor (16,930)
Seat 4: yoren8 (24,423)
Seat 5: stacksanchez (15,285)
Seat 6: jesta07 (15,318)
Seat 7: gtbhrn (18,894)
Seat 8: pokerchef (46,240)
Seat 9: Snannon Snorr (25,053)
MixJ antes 75
USCphildo antes 75
SkellyFactor antes 75
yoren8 antes 75
stacksanchez antes 75
jesta07 antes 75
gtbhrn antes 75
pokerchef antes 75
Snannon Snorr antes 75
pokerchef posts the small blind of 300
Snannon Snorr posts the big blind of 600
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to yoren8 [A/images/graemlins/club.gif A/images/graemlins/heart.gif]
MixJ folds
USCphildo folds
SkellyFactor folds
yoren8 raises to 1,700
stacksanchez folds
jesta07 folds
gtbhrn folds
pokerchef calls 1,400
Snannon Snorr folds
*** FLOP *** [8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 5/images/graemlins/club.gif] (Pot = 4675)
pokerchef bets 1,200
yoren8 ?

I have not been that active. Villain has only been around for two orbits or so. Not much of a read.

Villain called very quickly preflop and led for 1200 fairly quickly. I'm not considering folding, but I am considering playing for pot control.

1) What do you think villain's preflop range is from sb?
2) What do you think his range is now that he's bet 1200?

[Eagles]

I think you have the best hand so often you need to raise for value. I probably make it 5.5k to go.

[registrar]

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1) What do you think villain's preflop range is from sb?
2) What do you think his range is now that he's bet 1200?

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1) Any pair, SCs, low broadway connectors. Really wide, this cheap agaisnt a guy with a lot of chips.
2) More or less exactly the same - from air to sets.

Well, that my range in his shoes and I donk relatively often out of the blinds because it's cheap and makes people's life really awkward - am I begging you to raise into my two pair+, just pricking around with my big stack and middle pair or aiming to draw cheaply but three-betting your stack if you won't let me?

[NoahSD]

Gotta raise. He's often really weak here, so don't expect a huge amount of value, but if you make it like 5.5k he'll call with a FD and usually Tx. If you're calling, it's a slow play, not pot control, and given the size of his flop bet, slow playing isn't going to get you any chips.

[FGators]

I think a raise to around t6000 is fine. Obviously call a push if he shoves and I'd generally push the turn if checked to (and he calls obv). I wouldn't be too concerned with a flush draw if he calls the raise and then checks the turn if its a diamond. I'd expect the random tourney donk to jam on the flop with the flush draw in order to see two cards so I'm likely pushing every turn card if checked to and calling a push on every turn card if he jams.

[luckychewy]

i make it 4700 but raise size varies on what amount i think looks more bluffy to him. i find this type of lead is a draw/weak pair with equal and high frequencies, air/top pair type stuff with an equal but smaller frequency, and a better hand than aa w/ a very small frequency.

[THEOSU]

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Villain called very quickly preflop and led for 1200 fairly quickly. I'm not considering folding, but I am considering playing for pot control.

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i'd consider playing for all my chips.

[curtains]

Do not play for pot control, Make a biggish raise and be willing to get it allin. I don't know what they have, but most of the time it won't beat AA /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[nath]

please don't play for pot control

[TheNewf]

Jesus raise and get all the money in asap

[Cornell Fiji]

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Do not play for pot control, Make a biggish raise and be willing to get it allin. I don't know what they have, but most of the time it won't beat AA /images/graemlins/smile.gif

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[NoahL]

fold and get a hobby that you don't suck at if you're not willing to stack off here.

[mikeJ]

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fold and get a hobby that you don't suck at if you're not willing to stack off here.

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Your posts in both my threads suck.