WSOP #15 $1,500 NLHE

[trussdude]

This is a hand I was involved in on Saturday at the WSOP, Event #15, $1,500 NLHE. No name players at my table.

15 minutes in, blinds at $25/$50, everybody has an average chip stack of $3,000

Third guy to act raises to $150, he gets one caller to me in the cut off. I raise to $400 with Q-Q, both players call the extra $250 and the blinds fold.

$1,275 in the pot.

The flop is 10-7-2 rainbow.

Both players check to me, I bet $700 and get one caller.

$2,675 in the pot.

The Turn is an off suit 4.

He checks again. I bet $1,000. He agonizes for a few minutes and makes the call.

$4,675 in the pot.

The River is a 10

He goes all in for $875.

I have $925 left.

What is my next move?

What do you put him on?

[renodoc]

uh, as played unfortunately you have to call, but you are looking at AT-JT much of the time. I would probably push the turn here given your stack sizes.

[nath]

You obviously call the river because you're getting 6 to 1 with an overpair

And you push the turn because you have less than a pot-sized bet left

[markysals11]

yeah the turn bet was pretty miserable, such a gross river but i don't think there's any way you can fold in a 1500 event @ the wsop in this spot

[Mench]

reraise more pre
shove turn

now call river

[0evg0]

and you dont reraise to 400 because that sucks incredibly big dong

[Cornell Fiji]

^
Whats your problem with the pf reraise?

[Cornell Fiji]

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You obviously call the river because you're getting 6 to 1 with an overpair

And you push the turn because you have less than a pot-sized bet left

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agreed

[dboivin17]

you should have bet more/shoved the turn...obviously he hit his 3rd ten on the river cause he couldnt lay down top pair after 2 streets

[Cornell Fiji]

Please realize that you are not betting more to protect your hand from AT rather you are betting more on the turn to make sure that you stack AT if a scary card comes

[0evg0]

raising to 400 in a pot that's already 525 is not a good practice CF.

[Cornell Fiji]

evg

I missed this part:

"Third guy to act raises to $150, he gets one caller to me in the cut off."

I thought OP was first one in after the raise.

My bad evg is right

[0evg0]

even without the caller, make it 500

[THEOSU]

you got an overpair vs top pair situation 60BB deep in a 3 way pot that was raised twice, and somehow you didn't get it in by the turn?

[Crash0veride]

Push turn not to protect but because you're protecting a raise of 1k into 2700 is bad, and the same player that calls the turn of 1k will most likely call the an AI turn bet of 1900.
You HAVE to call...Unlucky, nh gg.

[BarryLyndon]

And now you know what happens when you screw a PF raise up.

Barry

[trussdude]

If this guy has a single 10 in his hand, don't I want him to call the Turn bet?

He would be getting 3.6 to 1 pot odds with only 5 outs.

[Crash0veride]

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If this guy has a single 10 in his hand, don't I want him to call the Turn bet?

He would be getting 3.6 to 1 pot odds with only 5 outs.

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absolutely you'd want him to call, I just really think that type of player won't be able to fold a T on the turn w/ either a 1k bet or a 1900 bet, so might as well get it all in on the turn.
Also if you get it all in on the turn he has no chance of reevaluating and fold the river.

[Jurollo]

450 min on the raise, 500-550 = ideal pf
this increases your flop bet to maybe 900ish
these make your turn bet a push

[Jurollo]

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you got an overpair vs top pair situation 60BB deep in a 3 way pot that was raised twice, and somehow you didn't get it in by the turn?

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haha. this thread makes me excited to play this week

[trussdude]

Everybody is assuming that I gave him a cheap turn to get his 10 on the River to beat me.

What if I was behind preflop or on the flop?

Do I really want to play a pot for all my chips with Q-Q 20 minutes into a three day tournament with 60 minute levels?

[riverdance]

yes

[renodoc]

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you got an overpair vs top pair situation 60BB deep in a 3 way pot that was raised twice, and somehow you didn't get it in by the turn?

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haha. this thread makes me excited to play this week

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lol, bond would have gotten it in on the turn, (and then the ten would hit with certainty)

[Jurollo]

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Everybody is assuming that I gave him a cheap turn to get his 10 on the River to beat me.

What if I was behind preflop or on the flop?

Do I really want to play a pot for all my chips with Q-Q 20 minutes into a three day tournament with 60 minute levels?

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These things are basically crapshoots after 3 hours anyway. Play the Venetian Deepstacks if you want to get more play for your $$, this is a spot to get it in. Also, I highly doubt he plays AA or KK like that, especially. Don't play these if you aren't prepared to be on the rail 20mins in if the situation calls for it

[uclabruinz]

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Everybody is assuming that I gave him a cheap turn to get his 10 on the River to beat me.

What if I was behind preflop or on the flop?

Do I really want to play a pot for all my chips with Q-Q 20 minutes into a three day tournament with 60 minute levels?

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Oh, my.

[mastr]

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These things are basically crapshoots after 3 hours anyway. Play the Venetian Deepstacks if you want to get more play for your $$, this is a spot to get it in. Also, I highly doubt he plays AA or KK like that, especially. Don't play these if you aren't prepared to be on the rail 20mins in if the situation calls for it

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LOl oh to make it 20 mins in any of these tourneys.

[MychCumstien]

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Everybody is assuming that I gave him a cheap turn to get his 10 on the River to beat me.

What if I was behind preflop or on the flop?

Do I really want to play a pot for all my chips with Q-Q 20 minutes into a three day tournament with 60 minute levels?

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absolutely. The only way i lay down QQ here, is if the PF action was vastly different. i.e. original raiser makes it 150, you raise, then the third person reraises again, orginal raiser shoves, then back to you... that's about the only way I'd consider laying down here. As played, you have to put the other 2 as calling with either unpaired high cards, middle PP's, or suited connectors.

As played, someone probably has AT or JT as one poster mentioned. One person may have slow played a set, or have been chasing a straight (and missed) with 98s.

With these stack sizes and as played, I agree with everyone on here that you should have got your money in on the turn. You also shouldn't be folding that river based on the size of the pot. Not only that, but if you do, you'll have less than 1k in chips, and be virtually unable to recover...

Close your eyes, call, and pray one villain has JJ, and the other has 98.

The only other time I may fold in this situation, is if I'm in the ME with a stack of 10k. Then at least you're deep enough to recover back. with 3k, and 2/3rds already out there, I think you have to call here. Then when you bust, go play a satellite to get into the next event.