50NL 3 betting preflop

[Miyogi]

I feel like I don't know what to do in these situations. In hand one it seems like folding sucks because it is weak, calling sucks because I have no initiatve and am drawing to the flop only and raising/pushing may win me the pot right now or get me stacked.

Hand 2 I push if villian is a little shorter. As it stands how do you guys play this?

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh))

SB: $18.75
BB: $98.60
UTG: $106.95
MP: $49.75
CO: $54.25
<font color="black">Hero (BTN): $0.00</font>

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt K/images/graemlins/spade.gif A/images/graemlins/heart.gif (5 Players)
BB folds, <font color="red">UTG raises to $2.00</font>, <font color="red">MP raises to $6.75</font>, 2 folds <font color="red">Hero?</font>

Pot Size: $9.50

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh))

SB: $29.25
<font color="black">Hero (BB): $49.75</font>
UTG: $59.90
MP: $82.25
CO: $112.15
BTN: $46.35

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt J/images/graemlins/heart.gif Jhttp://legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif (6 Players)
2 folds, CO calls $0.50, BTN calls $0.50, <font color="red">SB raises to $2.25</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $6.50</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $20.00</font> <font color="red">Hero?</font>

Pot Size: $27.50

[Nick C]

I'm going to respond based on my recent Stars impressions. I don't know how different Full Tilt may or may not be.

Hand 1: You should be ahead of UTG's range, but there's a really good chance that MP has a PP or AK like you do. Possibly you have enough folding equity on a big 4-bet (or push) to make up for the times that you're up against AA or KK, so that play is a consideration. I'm not sure what's best.

Hand 2: Ah, jeez. He's kinda short, but probably not short enough, and I think I would fold. On Stars, anyway, it seems like a raise/4-bet from non-shorties is AA or KK a huge chunk of the time.


Anyway, partly I'm bumping this for you, because I'm not certain what's best in these situations either.

[Marshall28]

IMO these are both folds.

but of course the first one is definitely more read dependent. it really depends on the table dynamics ... if you have seen MP 3bet semi-frequently, then a raise to like 18, or a shove might work, but if i had just sat down and this was the first hand i played w/ no information, i think i might cold call and c/f if no A or K on flop. however, the difference between calling and folding is so small that it probably doesnt matter much. only big mistake u can make here is if u shove and either player calls w/ AA or KK ....

for the JJ hand, villain is obviously committing himself to the pot, and he is 4betting over 2 raisers ... that signifies serious strength, so thats an easy fold.

[mrw8419]

Hand one is 4 bet or fold depending on MP's stats I hate calling.

Hand 2 is a good one to pokerstove based off of different ranges

Loose range
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 50.184% 49.22% 00.96% 53095090 1040504.00 { JdJh }
Hand 1: 49.816% 48.85% 00.96% 52699054 1040504.00 { 99+, AQs+, AQo+ }



Medium range
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 44.196% 42.93% 01.27% 33077326 977639.00 { JdJh }
Hand 1: 55.804% 54.53% 01.27% 42021076 977639.00 { TT+, AQs+, AKo }



Tight range

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 36.190% 35.98% 00.21% 20947296 121978.00 { JdJh }
Hand 1: 63.810% 63.60% 00.21% 37027084 121978.00 { QQ+, AKs, AKo }

[Ikaika]

Hand one is a fold for sure. A raise and reraise in front of you...just get out of their way.

Hand two is a fold as well; he has AA/KK here like always.

[Miyogi]

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Hand one is a fold for sure. A raise and reraise in front of you...just get out of their way.

Hand two is a fold as well; he has AA/KK here like always.

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Hand one the opening raise doesn't mean that much. Villian could have AJo or 76s and be crushed. I'm more interested in the 3betting villian which in this case I knew nothing about.

[jmgambler]

Hand 1, I am not cold calling it and If anyone reads my posts I am not a big fan of felting with AKo PF..... Humprh in fact I folded AKs yesterday in exactly your position, esp as I am not closing the action.


Hand 2....... I would have called SB's Raise, with AK, I woulda called too, I suck at playing JJ *shrugs*....... as played Next&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;

[Gigglegirl]

They are both pretty marginal but in the absence of reads, I'm folding both.
If you don't have reads/stats, it's difficult to assign a range to Villain. If you can't assign a range, you can't work out your equity, so you're in the dark.

Hijack* Jmgambler, did you used to play under that SN at Tribeca? If so where you playing now?

[jmgambler]

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Hijack* Jmgambler, did you used to play under that SN at Tribeca? If so where you playing now?

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Erm, Yes, I used to play at Doyles, before it went stupid under that SN.... why are you asking where I play now?.."He asks warily"?

[Gigglegirl]

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Hijack* Jmgambler, did you used to play under that SN at Tribeca? If so where you playing now?

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Erm, Yes, I used to play at Doyles, before it went stupid under that SN.... why are you asking where I play now?.."He asks warily"?

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No reason, just cuz I remembered the name. /images/graemlins/laugh.gif
No 2+2ers seem to play at Ipoker (which is what Tribeca became) where I play. It would just be nice to be able to discuss good regs/fish on my site with other 2+2ers, that's all.
I'm moving to Full Tilt next month I think.

[jmgambler]

OK, Im asked warily as I was half expecting some abuse /images/graemlins/smile.gif I have about 35,000 hands at Doyles 6max NL and did well the poker graph for it looked like a 45 degree incline, LOL.

I used to like the software too, clean, crisp etc, Now I hate it and any site that also has Blackjack I am kind of sworn off *cough* *cough*...Hence no UB or Party for me, I play at FTP and PS

Regards David

[Tito Jackson]

Hand 1: Depending on how MP plays u should be folding, calling, and raising some of the times weighted more towards calling or raising since youre on the button. I dont mind calling in position and taking a flop if youre not willing to commit your stack.

Hand 2: Unless sb is a super aggro donk this should probably be a fold especially with his stack. If he had AK(which is probably the best ur hoping for) he probably would have pushed instead of making it 20. He's raising 2 limpers and the bb then 4 betting the majority of his stack. Smells like an overpair.

[ama0330]

I fold both at this level.

both folds for me too.