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TylerSoapCO
06-10-2007, 02:20 PM
Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 4 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh))

SB: $42.56
BB: $54.70
UTG: $55.65
<font color="black">Hero (BTN): $47.65</font>

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif K/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 Players)
UTG calls $0.50, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1.50</font>, SB calls $1.25, BB folds, UTG calls $1.00

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($5) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 Players)
SB checks, UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $2.00</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $4.00</font>, UTG folds, Hero calls $2.00

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($13) A/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks

<font color="black">River:</font> ($13) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $0.50</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $6.00</font>, SB calls $5.50

SB is a callingstation, and my bet on the river is intended as a bluff, but is this a total waste of money here his play confuses me he raises me on the flop and then he checks when an other ace comes which leads me to belive that he dosent have an ace. And me betting half pot bet should represent a ace even for a callingstation so he should only call here if he has a Ax or a set or what???

So what do you peopele think is my read of, and/or should i just give up and call his minibet.

LMAO
06-10-2007, 02:31 PM
lmao... this is why i love PP... usa players eat ur hearts out.

prodonkey
06-10-2007, 02:32 PM
keep trying to bluff those stations... they have to get $ somehow. He played that like how a typical moron would play an A. He slowplays the turn since he has trips now and has no clue what to bet on the river so he bets 50c. He could also have a T, but he's not folding it. Waste of $

Sweir
06-10-2007, 02:34 PM
With your read I think he could not fold worse, especially when you raise to $6 giving him good odds. I would probably just call the river because you hardly ever have to be good here. I would also make a note on what he was minraising with for future reference.

Vyse
06-10-2007, 02:35 PM
Answer: duh duh duh why would you bluff a calling station?

And it's not like you showed great strength. He raised the flop, giving him control of the hand. You checked behind on the turn, conceding control. So what do you expect?

mikechops
06-10-2007, 02:35 PM
I don't understand the flop action. You lead small. If you did that to get a raise so you could 3-bet big then it worked...

I think bluffing the river after you check the turn is risky. Especially vs a caling station. The turn A makes it less likely in his eyes, that you have an Ace - only 2 left unaccounted for vs 3 prior to the turn - or 1 vs 2 if he has an Ace.

Waingro
06-10-2007, 04:01 PM
Lol. I see it so often. Donkey minbets river in a big pot and guy with missed draw canīt stand folding so he raises and donkey insta-calls. It is called inducing a bluff, and donkey has probably done it before. You got flat out owned. In this spot I can see calling the river. You get to see his cards and you have the nut one pair hand. I think you are good here every once in a while.

Edit: the rest of the hand is played pretty badly as well, raise more pf, bet more on the flop, 3bet ai, profit.

TylerSoapCO
06-10-2007, 04:46 PM
So now I know that the bluff was a total waste of money, but know how should the hand been played. My thought about this is:

A calling station is reraising me on the flop, this means that he believes that he have a strong hand so now I want see the turn and river as cheap as possible and if a jack or a heart that don't pair the board comes just push all-in, because then the only likely holdings that beats me are Ax h or a full house (flopped set) and if I miss fold. Because this all-in should be called by a calling station most of the time.

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I don't understand the flop action. You lead small. If you did that to get a raise so you could 3-bet big then it worked...

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But I did get the recommendation to 3-bet the flop I don't understand how this would increase the EV of this hand.

Any comments on this.

takingcontrol
06-10-2007, 05:16 PM
so, you're hoping that when you push on a heart river, he calls. but when it blanks... he folds.

eh !?

flop 3bet all in is the only way I can think of this being +ev, being all in lets us see turn and river with him pot committed, and since our draw comes in about 44% of the time by then, we need him to fold this flop sometimes. which he probably would.
would have bet more Preflop also, taking stack sizes into account, there'd be more money to push over the top of on the flop, but not so much that he's in any way committed. I can see him calling with an ace, but not usually a ten.

barryc83
06-10-2007, 05:18 PM
lol didnt read the thread, but the title suggests you made a bad play, DUCY?

Peter Harris
06-10-2007, 05:19 PM
easiest river fold in the history of river folds. Trying to bluffraise a caller is stupid.

tannenj
06-10-2007, 05:21 PM
op, you should be getting three streets of value with Tx here, not trying to bluff him. on the plus side, he might call river with a worse hand. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Marshall28
06-10-2007, 05:27 PM
2$ into a 5$ pot on the turn? ... make that crap 4- 4.50. im doing my best to get the money in asap. 13 outs is usually enough if you can get it in on the flop. if he CC's flop bet and checks turn, i probly check behind on turn cuz its suspect that a station would fold any ace.

river .. .you have nothing, and if u know hse a caling station, you should know hes not going to fold any kind of pair....

sh58
06-10-2007, 05:28 PM
'easiest river CALL ever'
1)get to see what he has for 50c. (Ax alot of the time!)
2)note down and adapt play accordingly
3)give yourself a looser image by showing down king high
4)$$$$

tannenj
06-10-2007, 05:30 PM
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2$ into a 5$ pot on the turn? ... make that crap 4- 4.50. im doing my best to get the money in asap. 13 outs is usually enough if you can get it in on the flop. if he CC's flop bet and checks turn, i probly check behind on turn cuz its suspect that a station would fold any ace.

river .. .you have nothing, and if u know hse a caling station, you should know hes not going to fold any kind of pair....

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against a station, i prefer op's line (until he has a brain fart and tries a bluff on the river).