NL50 J9 OESD turns trips line check

[Triggerle]

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh))

<font color="black">SB: $49.50</font>
<font color="black">BB: $72.70</font>
UTG: $63.50
<font color="black">MP: $43.45</font>
<font color="black">CO: $41.50</font>
<font color="black">Hero (BTN): $40.50</font>

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif T/images/graemlins/heart.gif (6 Players)
UTG folds, MP checks, CO calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, SB calls $0.25, BB checks

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($2) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif J/images/graemlins/club.gif 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (5 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">BB bets $1.50</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls $1.50, SB folds

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($5) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $4.50</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $17.00</font>, BB calls $12.50

<font color="black">River:</font> ($39) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Pot Size: $39.00 ($1.95 Rake)

[prodonkey]

I'd fold to the flop bet.. any hand you make is going to be really transparent, and you tie with anyone else with a T. I really don't like the raise on the turn. If I called the flop I'd just call there and see what he does on the river.

[Triggerle]

Forgot the reads. All players were rather loose and passive as indicated by the 5-handed pot we are seeing.

[mrw8419]

I raise the flop, as played I value shove river.

edit:pf I often raise

[Triggerle]

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...as played I value shove river

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Do you realize that we are about half split and half lose to another 9? What hands would give us value here?

[dimeetrees]

I raise preflop to isolate, call flop, raise 3x his bet on turn, valuebet river if he checks.

[Vyse]

fiiiiine

[Triggerle]

Why do we want to isolate pf after 2 limpers with a very marginal HU hand? (With possibly more than one villian coming along anyway.)

This is a hand that has multiway pot value for its straight possibilities and the occasional trips/2pair.

[Nick C]

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...as played I value shove river

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Do you realize that we are about half split and half lose to another 9? What hands would give us value here?

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Hands like QJ and JT seem entirely possible (along with a stubborn J8), although I don't have a strong opinion either way on what's best on the river.

I'm not really that quick to think Villain has a 9, though. The only strong evidence for that is the turn call.

[Nick C]

The whole thing basically looks okay to me.

Preflop is fine. The flop call may be slightly loose, but I think it's all right. The turn raise looks okay (although it is unfortunate if BB happens to have QT/T7). I'm not sure what's best on the river.

[mrw8419]

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...as played I value shove river

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Do you realize that we are about half split and half lose to another 9? What hands would give us value here?

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A10,AJ, KJ,QJ,J10, who cares we obviously have the best hand since villain checked to us on the river. Shove the money in and let him decide what he's going to call you with.

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UTG ($45.60)
MP ($20)
Button ($90.05)
Hero ($50.50)
BB ($59.40)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $1.5</font>, MP calls $1, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $1.25, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($4.50) J/images/graemlins/club.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $2</font>, MP folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $7</font>, UTG calls $5.

Turn: ($18.50) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $10.75</font>, UTG calls $10.75.

River: ($40) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $31.25 (All-In)</font>, UTG calls $26.35 (All-In).

Final Pot: $97.60

Results in white below:
UTG has Jd Qd (two pair, jacks and eights).
Hero has Ac Jh (two pair, aces and jacks).
Outcome: Hero wins $97.60.


Also I raise preflop because the majority of the time they just fold and I'm glad to pick up free money the rest of the time they call I c-bet and make money. Make money by being aggressive, playing flop lotto is not going to make you tons of money.

[RingoStar]

Raise preflop, value bet river.

[dimeetrees]

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Why do we want to isolate pf after 2 limpers with a very marginal HU hand? (With possibly more than one villian coming along anyway.)

This is a hand that has multiway pot value for its straight possibilities and the occasional trips/2pair.

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I'd rather isolate and outplay them postflop in a HU situation if I feel like I can get it headsup, besides, I'm not fond of limping, I like to raise 80% of the time preflop to build pots, limped pots suck and in my opinion are not worth it to fight over.

[Triggerle]

mrw8419,

I don't think the hands are comparable. My villian bet 2 streets and called a huge raise on the turn. Sure, sometimes he will do that when he is drawing but then he will not call a river push when his draw doesn't come in. Also he might do that with a jack but then again I don't think he will call a river push often unless he is a calling station. He will call with a 9 every time, though.

Him checking on the river might not mean he is beaten. After my huge raise he might think I will bet again. Or he could think that I could be on a straight and would raise him again.

And I'm not saying this because of this:

<font color="black">River:</font> ($39) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Pot Size: $39.00 ($1.95 Rake)

BB had 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif K/images/graemlins/club.gif (three of a kind, Nines) and WON (+$18.80)
Hero had 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif T/images/graemlins/heart.gif and LOST (-$19.00)