1500 wsop nl

[suzy89222]

my friend tells me i'm an idiot for playing my hand the way i did, but i think i played it just fine. he said to post it on 2p2 and see what they say, so i am. i had been at new table for 2-3 rounds and hadnt played a single hand and im a female that no one there has played with, so i get the feeling they think im tight/weak.

blinds 300 and 600, 75 ante. gets folded around to cutoff, who seems like a solid good player, he has about 18k. he raises to 1800. sb folds, im in BB with 7100 and q5 suited. i shove.

im hoping he just folds since i think he thinks im tight, and he raised first in in the cutoff, and would probably do that with a lot of hands. also, im getting to the point where i gotta make a move.
what do u think?

[curtains]

It's definitely not the worst play ever, but I don't like it. The problem is that it costs him 5300 to win 9950, so he's getting very good odds to call with a very wide range of hands. If he's a good,solid player that means he's going to call a very strong % of the time.

There's no reason to put you on a huge hand given that you are so short on chips, so it's hard for him to have 2 cards that don't get the 35% or so that is required against your range.

[suzy89222]

isnt it 5300 to win 8750?

[djk123]

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isnt it 5300 to win 8750?

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9875 if it's 9 handed. 9950 if it's 10 handed. 9*75 + 300 + 1800 + 7100 = 9875

oh and i think this play is meh. i'd like it if u had a few more k in chips.

[Exitonly]

i agree with curtains/djk. like 9k stack and i like it alot more. as is i think probably too weak of a hand considering how often we'll get called.

that's assuming that 'seems like a good player' means that he's opening semi-frequently in LP.

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THOUGH. i think resteals are probably more effective live, because it's harder to see how much is in the pot compared to size of the bet. Though, this probably goes both ways, when theres a bunch of small chips in the pot they'll probably eyeball it as being too big. -- heh, so i'm not sure what i just said/meant.

[suzy89222]

dang u guys, now i have to hear "i told u so!"

[stevepa]

I like it a lot, this will work way more than often enough imo (although only live and probably only because you're a girl/haven't done anything to show you're not super nitty)

[curtains]

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I like it a lot, this will work way more than often enough imo (although only live and probably only because you're a girl/haven't done anything to show you're not super nitty)

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Ok I had no idea you are female of course because I skimmed through the OP I guess. Anyway depends on opponent, since they said they were a good and solid player, I figured their chances of calling were relatively high.

But ok it's true that a lot of female players are ridiculous nits, so can't hurt to take advantage of that. Was that sexist? I had a great hand the other day in a satellite. The blinds were 200-400, I went allin from 3 off the button with 22 and 1800 chips. SB is a woman who calls off her last 1500 chips while saying "ahh what the hell". Before we turn our cards over she says "I'm sure you've got me" and of course she has JJ!!!

[Cornell Fiji]

Perfect.

Good stacks (although it would be nice if you had a few more chips.) Good image. Good time to seize on weakness (vs the CO.) And, you might be live if called.

[suzy89222]

i didnt really know opponent, only been there 2-3 rounds, and he hadnt done a whole lot. i just got a vibe that he was no idiot, but i dont know.

[ZJ123]

I don't like it, hes only folding pure steals. If you have 4 more bbs i would like this.

[suzy89222]

results if anyone cares: he called with tens and knocked me out of the tourney /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[THEOSU]

i think because you're a girl, it's gonna work a LOT more. he's not going to call you as light because 1) you're intuitively thought of as weak tight and 2) guys like having girls around.

in a vacuum or on the internets, you need at least 8k for it to work effectively often enough.

[Eagles]

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i didnt really know opponent, only been there 2-3 rounds, and he hadnt done a whole lot. i just got a vibe that he was no idiot, but i dont know.

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Meh, This can be fine but you need a solid read for it be a good move.

[uclabruinz]

The fact that villain "seems like a solid, good player" weighs heavily toward me not like this. You have to assume he will do the math and will call with a pretty correct range. If it was some donk who probably can't add two plus two yet had been clearly stealing, I would like it much, much more.

[suzy89222]

it seems like people fold there a lot in my limited live nl tournament experience (i play mostly online limit cash games) but yeah, im sure you guys are right.

[uclabruinz]

Suzy,

Donks fold a lot, but "solid, good player" does not. Trust your read and act accordingly.

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He is opening with ________ in the CO
He is calling with TT+/AK

Unfortunately, he had a hand in his calling range. That doesn't mean you made the wrong play, just that it was the wrong time

[uclabruinz]

Cornell, he's calling with a much wider range then that if he's getting almost 2:1.

[Cornell Fiji]

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Thats assuming that he is a good player. I still think that a live player is folding 88/99-AJ/AQ after a read generated from two rotations of the button. I also think his open range is obviously enormous, especially with a woman in the BB.

Looking at it again, it definitely might be a little wider (AQ is probably in there which sucks for us) but I doubt it is much wider)

[renodoc]

I like it. Sometimes I just pretend to look at my cards here since you can't give anything away that way and still have hope when you get looked up that there is a monster lurking there.

[curtains]

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Thats assuming that he is a good player. I still think that a live player is folding 88/99-AJ/AQ after a read generated from two rotations of the button. I also think his open range is obviously enormous, especially with a woman in the BB.

Looking at it again, it definitely might be a little wider (AQ is probably in there which sucks for us) but I doubt it is much wider)

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Folding 99 is beyond absurd! She already said they are a good, solid player why would we take her read and completely ignore it for no reason? Folding 99 or 88 would make the player so terrible its not even funny. There is almost no range that even the tightest player can have where these hands aren't above 40% equity.

[suzy89222]

i said i THINK he was a good player, curtains. i wasnt basing that on much.

[Irish Mafia]

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Folding 99 is beyond absurd! She already said they are a good, solid player why would we take her read and completely ignore it for no reason? Folding 99 or 88 would make the player so terrible its not even funny. There is almost no range that even the tightest player can have where these hands aren't above 40% equity.

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Curtains - you are so awesome. This post literally made me laugh out loud.

[curtains]

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Folding 99 is beyond absurd! She already said they are a good, solid player why would we take her read and completely ignore it for no reason? Folding 99 or 88 would make the player so terrible its not even funny. There is almost no range that even the tightest player can have where these hands aren't above 40% equity.

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Curtains - you are so awesome. This post literally made me laugh out loud.

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Wow I didn't mean for it to be funny.