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sharpie
06-09-2007, 11:52 AM
Villain is 59/22/1.4. In a previous hand this happened:

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Button ($51.50)
SB ($32.30)
Hero ($50.15)
UTG ($52)
MP ($89)
CO ($83.15)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero checks.

Flop: ($1.25) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP checks.

Turn: ($1.25) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $0.8</font>, MP calls $0.80.

River: ($2.85) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets $2</font>, Hero calls $2.

Final Pot: $6.85

Results:
Hero has 3h Ah (two pair, fives and threes).
MP has Qd As (one pair, fives).
Outcome: Hero wins $6.85.

Probably badly played by me, I'm guessing I should've led the flop and folded the river? Does he check behind the flop with a pair or flush draw much?

Anyway, this is the main hand in question. Is it an easy river fold? I can't see him betting with a low pair, and if he was floating and wanted to bluff wouldn't he bet the turn? The only thing I can see me being ahead of is a busted straight draw.

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BB ($50)
Hero ($80.10)
MP ($56.90)
Button ($75.05)
SB ($89.60)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $2, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: ($4.75) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $4</font>, Button calls $4.

Turn: ($12.75) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: ($12.75) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $6</font>, Hero???

TIGERsrm
06-09-2007, 12:08 PM
I Fold pf, A9 is a little too weak for your position (I know its 5 handed). Id raise from CO.
Call river, villain is clearly donkish and has a wide range here including bluffs and bad 'value bets'.
I think your giving him too much credit here. Don't make the mistake of assumming all your opponents think like you do!

Nick C
06-09-2007, 02:07 PM
I would call the river. I can't put this 59/22 guy on any sort of a reliable range, and you are getting about 3:1 with top pair.

The A3s hand sort of indicates the river is Villain's street, which may provide a little additional justification for a call.

In that A3s hand, I would frequently, but not always, bet the flop (it would depend in part on how many flop bets I had been making lately). And I wrote that sentence having forgotten that you flopped a pair, so really I would nearly always bet the flop.

I guess the river probably is a fold, but I don't hate the call, since your 59/22 opponent will probably peel the turn with Ax like he did, and -- I don't know -- I've been getting the sense that sudden river bluffs are more popular in NL than in limit.

mscags
06-09-2007, 02:44 PM
you're getting 3-1 with TP, definitely a call IMO, folding here will cost you a good amount of money in the long run

derek luv
06-09-2007, 02:58 PM
The villain seems to be pretty ridiculous, I would call.