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youthies
06-09-2007, 09:56 AM
Villain is 46/9/3.3 over 50 hands. Do you call here?

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BB ($60.80)
UTG ($124.30)
Hero ($54.75)
Button ($51.35)
SB ($50.25)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $1</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls $3.75, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls $3.

Flop: ($12.50) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $3</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $17.25</font>, SB folds, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $120.3</font>, Hero

matrix
06-09-2007, 10:07 AM
if villains minpfr/call line is out of character (he normally raises a stnd amount preflop) fold to the flop 3bet.

He has AA/KK/JJ/66/22 most likely and is overprotecting from the fd.

If you've seen him reraise flops all in before this hand more than a couple of times call, I'm usually folding cos we only beat a bluff.

boycalledroy
06-09-2007, 10:11 AM
This _screams_ combo-draw to me. With the dead cash in the pot I call quicker than a quick thing!

TIGERsrm
06-09-2007, 10:14 AM
This is close given the nature of your opponent but I think a fold is ok. More info would help though, has he been super aggro with his draws? Would he play top pair like this? Would he have min-raised 66/22 UTG? I think we can discount AA or KK with some confidence as surely he would have 4-bet pre.

Vyse
06-09-2007, 10:16 AM
I think you overbet the pot with your flop raise. Snap fold to his push.

matrix
06-09-2007, 10:20 AM
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I think you overbet the pot with your flop raise.

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no a PSR would have been...

12.50(pot) + 3(his bet) + 3(our calling his bet) + 18.50(size of new pot) = $37

thawannabe
06-09-2007, 10:23 AM
I think the min-raise here is odd. His stats show only raising 9% of his hands. So his range is pretty small and the only thing you really beat is TP and a combo draw. If he has a combo draw your only a slight fav anyway. I would have to fold.

Vyse
06-09-2007, 10:24 AM
Why is it assumed to be okay to pot the flop like that? For what? To get it all in? Well then, OP shouldn't be questioning whether to call a push. If it's to tax draws, it should be a lot smaller... the higher it is, the more the chance only better hands go along. We wouldn't cbet the pot, so why are we potting it with a raise?

Chomp
06-09-2007, 10:36 AM
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Why is it assumed to be okay to pot the flop like that? For what? To get it all in? Well then, OP shouldn't be questioning whether to call a push. If it's to tax draws, it should be a lot smaller... the higher it is, the more the chance only better hands go along. We wouldn't cbet the pot, so why are we potting it with a raise?

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Interesting.

Hopscotch
06-09-2007, 11:11 AM
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if villains minpfr/call line is out of character (he normally raises a stnd amount preflop) fold to the flop 3bet.

He has AA/KK/JJ/66/22 most likely and is overprotecting from the fd.

If you've seen him reraise flops all in before this hand more than a couple of times call, I'm usually folding cos we only beat a bluff.

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Villian described would limp 22/66 UTG in every situation IMO

mrw8419
06-09-2007, 01:29 PM
With stats like he has I'm calling this all day. I'm amazed no one put any jacks in his range. We have an over pair on a drawy board against a donk villain which means I felt this.

monkover
06-09-2007, 01:36 PM
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With stats like he has I'm calling this all day. I'm amazed no one put any jacks in his range. We have an over pair on a drawy board against a donk villain which means I felt this.

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I donīt think this situatuion is that easy! Imo poting is a mistake. Iīll add some more later... this hand is wuite interesting but i donīt have a lot of time atm...

ama0330
06-09-2007, 02:43 PM
Fold.

derek luv
06-09-2007, 03:01 PM
I would say you're beat. But it's very close as to whether or not to make a call.

mrw8419
06-09-2007, 04:00 PM
We do realize that hero already has 1/3 of his stack in right so lets poker stove it

Loose range
Board: Js 6s 2h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 57.461% 56.77% 00.69% 38779 472.50 { QcQs }
Hand 1: 42.539% 41.85% 00.69% 28586 472.50 { JJ+, 66, 22, AsKs, AsQs, AJs, AsTs, Ad9d, As9s, KsQs, KJs, JTs, 5s4s, 5s3s, 4s3s, AJo, KJo, QJo, JTo }


Medium Range
Board: Js 6s 2h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 45.531% 44.45% 01.08% 19361 472.50 { QcQs }
Hand 1: 54.469% 53.38% 01.08% 23254 472.50 { JJ+, 66, 22, AsKs, AsQs, AJs, KsQs, AJo, KJo }


Tight Range
Board: Js 6s 2h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 36.876% 35.51% 01.36% 12305 472.50 { QcQs }
Hand 1: 63.124% 61.76% 01.36% 21400 472.50 { JJ+, 66, 22, AsKs, AsQs, AJs, AJo }


Villains stats are really bad and OP's smallish reraise pf i think puts villain in the medium range which makes this a clear call.