View Full Version : 50NL- Call push with QQ?
youthies
06-09-2007, 09:56 AM
Villain is 46/9/3.3 over 50 hands. Do you call here?
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BB ($60.80)
UTG ($124.30)
Hero ($54.75)
Button ($51.35)
SB ($50.25)
Preflop: Hero is MP with Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $1</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls $3.75, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls $3.
Flop: ($12.50) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $3</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $17.25</font>, SB folds, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $120.3</font>, Hero
matrix
06-09-2007, 10:07 AM
if villains minpfr/call line is out of character (he normally raises a stnd amount preflop) fold to the flop 3bet.
He has AA/KK/JJ/66/22 most likely and is overprotecting from the fd.
If you've seen him reraise flops all in before this hand more than a couple of times call, I'm usually folding cos we only beat a bluff.
boycalledroy
06-09-2007, 10:11 AM
This _screams_ combo-draw to me. With the dead cash in the pot I call quicker than a quick thing!
TIGERsrm
06-09-2007, 10:14 AM
This is close given the nature of your opponent but I think a fold is ok. More info would help though, has he been super aggro with his draws? Would he play top pair like this? Would he have min-raised 66/22 UTG? I think we can discount AA or KK with some confidence as surely he would have 4-bet pre.
I think you overbet the pot with your flop raise. Snap fold to his push.
matrix
06-09-2007, 10:20 AM
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I think you overbet the pot with your flop raise.
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no a PSR would have been...
12.50(pot) + 3(his bet) + 3(our calling his bet) + 18.50(size of new pot) = $37
thawannabe
06-09-2007, 10:23 AM
I think the min-raise here is odd. His stats show only raising 9% of his hands. So his range is pretty small and the only thing you really beat is TP and a combo draw. If he has a combo draw your only a slight fav anyway. I would have to fold.
Why is it assumed to be okay to pot the flop like that? For what? To get it all in? Well then, OP shouldn't be questioning whether to call a push. If it's to tax draws, it should be a lot smaller... the higher it is, the more the chance only better hands go along. We wouldn't cbet the pot, so why are we potting it with a raise?
Chomp
06-09-2007, 10:36 AM
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Why is it assumed to be okay to pot the flop like that? For what? To get it all in? Well then, OP shouldn't be questioning whether to call a push. If it's to tax draws, it should be a lot smaller... the higher it is, the more the chance only better hands go along. We wouldn't cbet the pot, so why are we potting it with a raise?
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Interesting.
Hopscotch
06-09-2007, 11:11 AM
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if villains minpfr/call line is out of character (he normally raises a stnd amount preflop) fold to the flop 3bet.
He has AA/KK/JJ/66/22 most likely and is overprotecting from the fd.
If you've seen him reraise flops all in before this hand more than a couple of times call, I'm usually folding cos we only beat a bluff.
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Villian described would limp 22/66 UTG in every situation IMO
mrw8419
06-09-2007, 01:29 PM
With stats like he has I'm calling this all day. I'm amazed no one put any jacks in his range. We have an over pair on a drawy board against a donk villain which means I felt this.
monkover
06-09-2007, 01:36 PM
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With stats like he has I'm calling this all day. I'm amazed no one put any jacks in his range. We have an over pair on a drawy board against a donk villain which means I felt this.
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I donīt think this situatuion is that easy! Imo poting is a mistake. Iīll add some more later... this hand is wuite interesting but i donīt have a lot of time atm...
ama0330
06-09-2007, 02:43 PM
Fold.
derek luv
06-09-2007, 03:01 PM
I would say you're beat. But it's very close as to whether or not to make a call.
mrw8419
06-09-2007, 04:00 PM
We do realize that hero already has 1/3 of his stack in right so lets poker stove it
Loose range
Board: Js 6s 2h
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 57.461% 56.77% 00.69% 38779 472.50 { QcQs }
Hand 1: 42.539% 41.85% 00.69% 28586 472.50 { JJ+, 66, 22, AsKs, AsQs, AJs, AsTs, Ad9d, As9s, KsQs, KJs, JTs, 5s4s, 5s3s, 4s3s, AJo, KJo, QJo, JTo }
Medium Range
Board: Js 6s 2h
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 45.531% 44.45% 01.08% 19361 472.50 { QcQs }
Hand 1: 54.469% 53.38% 01.08% 23254 472.50 { JJ+, 66, 22, AsKs, AsQs, AJs, KsQs, AJo, KJo }
Tight Range
Board: Js 6s 2h
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 36.876% 35.51% 01.36% 12305 472.50 { QcQs }
Hand 1: 63.124% 61.76% 01.36% 21400 472.50 { JJ+, 66, 22, AsKs, AsQs, AJs, AJo }
Villains stats are really bad and OP's smallish reraise pf i think puts villain in the medium range which makes this a clear call.
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