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Emperor Norton
06-09-2007, 03:15 AM
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($25.60)
Button ($24.55)
SB ($38.10)
BB ($44.10)
UTG ($36.80)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls $0.25, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.25</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls $1.15, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls $1.

Flop: ($4) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($4) T/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $0.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4</font>, SB folds, UTG calls $3.50.

River: ($12) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $31.55 (All-In)</font>, Hero?

I should have c-bet the flop, but the SB rarely folds to c-bets, so I thought I might be better off drawing for free. What do you make of this river bet?

Nick C
06-09-2007, 04:10 AM
It's hard to get into an unknown's head here, but I'm certainly not ruling out a turned flush (that is perhaps now relieved not to have gotten counterfeited on the river and is also relieved that the board didn't pair). Meanwhile, though, I think any of the possible straights also have to be considered, and, really, two pair and even just hands like a frustrated QcTd make up at least part of Villain's range.

I think I would call, but I'm not really happy to be facing this push (at least not yet /images/graemlins/laugh.gif; maybe I will be at showdown).

bussolini
06-09-2007, 06:17 AM
insta fold IMO. you were raising turn, he knows he could run into a flush. those bets are the nutz in 90% of the cases.ive seen that so many times ppl calling a raise on turn and pushing on the river. lost a lot of money in those spots as well, cause the turn call made me think they were drawing.

pot not big enough to risk all of your chips. throw it away, hate it for 2 seconds and go get him in the next hand!

RiverPlay
06-09-2007, 06:36 AM
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those bets are the nutz in 90% of the cases.

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This is one a very important thing to know about NL25, yes they are that retarded and they don't know how to value bet at all. They are also retarded and call every street with flush draws and then for example bluff the pot at the river in such a transparent way. In this oposite case they win very very often. Not any value calling here.